[Rhodes22-list] Fall Boat Pull-Out

[Andrew Collins]

Paul

My situation exactly. Maybe when the kids are older fall will be included in
the sailing season.

Andrew



On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:07 AM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> I pulled my boat out a couple of weeks ago.  Last week I power washed the
> bottom, got it all emptied out & put away.  I'm in Michigan & sail on Lake
> Michigan.  With football, cooler weather & fall chores I don't get out on
> it much after Labor Day.  As much as I love to sail, my priorities change
> to other things in the fall.  The colors are at their peak right now here.
>  I love the autumn season.
>
> Paul
>
> > PD
> >
> > None taken, it seemed to me the quality of that particular 'essay' was
> not
> > up to par.  My subject line didn't show the 'political', so if it did, my
> > apology.
> >
> > The two parts of the 'healthy debate-slug fest' that troubles me is the
> > grinding use of epithets and personal attacks, to wit, Herb wants to tell
> > me
> > to stuff it. That is not a debate it is a conversation stopper. The other
> > is
> > that the back and forth seems to be just shouting, without communication.
> > It really reminds me of rap music, all shouting and no music.
> >
> > Been sailing much? Mine is coming out this week, more's the pity.
> >
> > Andrew
> > sv Carmen
> > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >>
> >> Sorry to offend you.  I don't think what I did was any different than
> >> what
> >> many others have done, in terms of reading something that mirrored my
> >> views and posted it for others to also read.  How is this different than
> >> some of the left leaning New York Times articles or other MSM stuff that
> >> has been posted here?  It's from:  http://www.americanthinker.com
> >>
> >> What is your problem with the subject line?  I correctly listed it as
> >> "Political".  Also, I don't call it a lowly slug-fest.  I call it a
> >> healthy debate.  I don't take offense at any of the left leaning posts.
> >> I
> >> actually enjoy reading both sides.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Paul D. Grandholm
> >>
> >> > Dear pdgrand nospam:
> >> >
> >> > awful post
> >> >
> >> > " ... when decades of liberal energy policy came home to roost "?
> >> >
> >> > This post isn't worthy of even this lowly slug-fest we call a sailing
> >> > forum.
> >> >
> >> > And whaddabout the subject line? Ed where are you?
> >> >
> >> > Can we have a new rule: you have to write it yourself not cut and
> >> paste
> >> > any
> >> > old uncorroborated opinion that oozes across the web?
> >> > And if Joe is an unlicensed plumber, he is just that. He should be
> >> > licensed,
> >> > take the tests, go to trade school. Do unlicensed pilots fly? Do
> >> > unregistered engineers practice, do unlicensed beauticians give
> >> facials?
> >> > No,
> >> > they don't
> >> >
> >> > This unlicensed tradesman is manipulating gas installations,
> >> connections
> >> > to
> >> > the public water supply, connectiions to public sewer systems, etc.
> >> This
> >> > work brings with it responsibilities that every municipality requires
> >> be
> >> > satisfied by obtaining a plumbing license before being allowed to this
> >> > kind
> >> > of work.
> >> >
> >> > Andrew
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:37 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> October 17, 2008
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey Plumber Joe: Been There, Done That
> >> >>
> >> >> By C. Edmund Wright<http://www.americanthinker.com/c_edmund_wright/>
> >> >>
> >> >> God love you Joe. Bless your heart Joe.  You, and people like you,
> >> are
> >> >> what makes the country work. You make the country great. You get it
> >> --
> >> >> you
> >> >> act on it -- and you enrich the lives of your family and your friends
> >> >> and
> >> >> your communities and your charities as a result.
> >> >> But I think what I should say now is "God help you Joe."  Look, 16
> >> plus
> >> >> years ago I was where you are now. And I must tell you  if Obama
> >> wins, I
> >> >> am pulling the plug in a few months. I am out. I have had it.  I am
> >> >> preparing to destroy almost 100 jobs and lower my tax bracket and I
> >> >> can't
> >> >> wait.
> >> >>
> >> >> Consider: 16 years ago I was statistically in poverty, but I had
> >> dreams
> >> >> and a plan. At the time, the remnants of Reaganomics still set the
> >> >> economic tone and a fired up Newt Gingrich was forcing conservatism
> >> on
> >> >> the
> >> >> Clinton White House every time Bill and Hillary tried to move left.
> >> >> There
> >> >> were actually politicians who praised business owners and business in
> >> >> general.  Against that backdrop, I've had a pretty good run. It's
> >> been
> >> >> extremely challenging and the move up was not a straight line, but I
> >> am
> >> >> better off than I was 16 years ago. And 8 years ago. And 4 years ago.
> >> >> And
> >> >> so are a lot of folks who have been on this ride with me.
> >> >>
> >> >> But Joe, I am not better off than I was just 2 years ago. That's when
> >> >> decades of liberal energy policy came home to roost and four dollar
> >> gas
> >> >> took several hundred thousands from my bottom line faster than I
> >> could
> >> >> possibly react.  That same gas price slammed my customers -- and my
> >> >> customer's customers -- forcing our company into a vice of rapidly
> >> >> rising
> >> >> costs and rapidly dropping revenues. Oh, and for fun, slower payments
> >> >> from
> >> >> our customers.
> >> >>
> >> >> That started the ripple through the sub prime mortgage industry, and
> >> we
> >> >> have all seen the unraveling of our financial system which was more
> >> or
> >> >> less totally underpinned by real estate "values." Those assumed
> >> >> valuations
> >> >> were the basis for any number of derivatives and credit swaps and so
> >> on.
> >> >> Well, forget all that Wall Street talk. To you and me it means
> >> employees
> >> >> are more desperate for money, customers are less willing to buy,
> >> slower
> >> >> to
> >> >> pay and banks less willing to lend. It certainly means whatever homes
> >> >> and
> >> >> 401K's you have are worth less too which makes your bank even less
> >> >> anxious
> >> >> to lend to your business. It is the main street carnage of
> >> "unfettered
> >> >> government" onto small business. It is the destructive fruit of
> >> >> environmental leftists, the Fannie-Freddie cronies in government and
> >> >> other
> >> >> corrupt liberals in positions of power.
> >> >>
> >> >> And sadly, this is also the result of George Bush giving into these
> >> >> folks
> >> >> all too often in defense of his "new tone." (That worked out well,
> >> >> didn't
> >> >> it?) This was helped ironically by John McCain "reaching across the
> >> >> aisle"
> >> >> to vote against tax cuts and vote for energy restrictions and so on.
> >> All
> >> >> of this was nicely summed up by Mitt Romney when he said that our
> >> >> problems
> >> >> stem from "too many Republicans acting too much like Democrats." Now,
> >> if
> >> >> the polls are anywhere near accurate, we are going to get a taste of
> >> >> "real
> >> >> Democrats acting too much like Marxists" for at least a few years.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mitt was right, but the pundits said McCain was more acceptable to
> >> the
> >> >> moderates. Hmmm. Wonder if a financial turn-around specialist like
> >> Mitt
> >> >> might sell to the moderates now? Just a wild thought from someone not
> >> >> smart enough to be a beltway pundit.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now Joe, as someone whose been there, let me tell you how this works,
> >> >> though I think you have a good idea.  At the end of the year, as an
> >> LLC,
> >> >> I
> >> >> do file taxes with the business profit on my personal returns like
> >> many
> >> >> of
> >> >> others do as well.  And yes, that figure is much bigger than 250
> >> >> thousand.
> >> >> But that's not really MY MONEY to keep. It's how I underpin my
> >> business.
> >> >> When customers disappear or take their time paying bills, I still
> >> have
> >> >> to
> >> >> pay my employees, rent, suppliers, and countless other expenses.
> >> Every
> >> >> penny that the tax man takes out of that profit is less money that I
> >> >> have
> >> >> to carry forward to stay in business for the next year. And if Obama
> >> and
> >> >> Reid and Pelosi take more of this by "raising taxes on the rich" then
> >> of
> >> >> course my business will suffer. And so will all the employees.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is exactly what almost none of those lawyers turned politicians
> >> >> understand.
> >> >>
> >> >> But of course, you will have to send tax money into the government,
> >> Joe,
> >> >> because the man who is in charge of spending that money -- Charlie
> >> >> Rangel
> >> >> -- damned sure wasn't paying his fair share as we know now. Get out
> >> that
> >> >> checkbook.
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course, all of this matters only if you can afford to fill your
> >> >> plumbing vans with gas at gosh knows what price. It could be that the
> >> >> recession will lower the gas price, but that's not terribly good news
> >> >> for
> >> >> you either, since customers don't spend as much money in a recession.
> >> I
> >> >> mean, I hate to burst your bubble, but small business owners are
> >> >> surrounded by a sea of challenges outside their control and almost
> >> all
> >> >> of
> >> >> them are caused by liberalism. Government has formed a business
> >> firing
> >> >> squad and it's a doggone circle!
> >> >>
> >> >> I wish you well, guy.  You might just have the genius and persistence
> >> to
> >> >> pull this off. I really do hope so. As for me, I have had enough. I
> >> have
> >> >> fought creeping liberalism and managed more wins than losses over 17
> >> >> years. We have progressed to where  our business,  now a corporation,
> >> >> is
> >> >> big enough so that Obama and his ilk now have their own ideas about
> >> >> "what
> >> >> larger businesses can afford" and what "corporations can afford."
> >> >>
> >> >> Well I've got news for him. I cannot afford what they think I can
> >> >> afford,
> >> >> so I am breaking her up and giving her away to some key employees.  I
> >> >> wish
> >> >> them well too. They are like you, tough and smart. Perhaps if they
> >> stay
> >> >> small enough and never can carry forward more than 250 thou to the
> >> next
> >> >> year, they will be allowed to keep their businesses through a
> >> downturn.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for me? I'm outta here.
> >> >>
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