[Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Oct 21 17:50:06 EDT 2008 

There's the thin skinn thing. I didn't read his information that way. 
But I clearly saw yours as warning, but NEVER saw a reference to others. 
Go figure. Must be me being an extremist or something...

But, my opinion hasn't changed....



Ben Cittadino wrote:
> Do you mean, was Ed threatening to charge me as a co-conspirator?  It sure
> sounded like that to me. Or did you mean was Ed threatening to label me as a
> marxist? Sure sounded that way to me. Was I threatening to sue Ed? No, but I
> was gently suggesting that if I did not have such a wonderfully developed
> sense of humor a person in my position (libeled by him) might have such
> options and he ought not call people defamatory names.
>
> Ben C.
>
> Just bent wrote:
>   
>> I got a question or you....was that a threat?
>> Jb
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Ed;
>>>
>>> Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you see it?
>>>       
>> What
>>     
>>> makes me a marxist in your view?  Does the 1st Amendment to our
>>>       
>> Constitution
>>     
>>> immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a marxist who
>>>       
>> is
>>     
>>> not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you have any
>>> life savings?  Inquiring minds want to know?
>>>
>>> Have a nice day.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben C.
>>>
>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Ed,
>>>>
>>>> Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about his
>>>> relationship with Ayers.  This issue isn't going away and it shouldn't
>>>> go away.  Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing that the
>>>> Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's days in
>>>> NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were both
>>>> friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored Obama's
>>>> first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors Ayer's
>>>> writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second book was
>>>> written at a 9th grade level).  But let's forget speculation for a
>>>> moment and stick with what is known.  I'm posting a link instead of
>>>> the article so you can see the photo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
>>     
>>>> We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that Obama,
>>>> Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the same
>>>> building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law firm.
>>>> Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which by the
>>>> way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking but
>>>> Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he was in
>>>> the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
>>>>
>>>> "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
>>>>
>>>> That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most part
>>>> let him get away with it.
>>>>
>>>> The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be guilty of
>>>> perjury - and he may well be, soon.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
>>>>> socioeconomic
>>>>> class, while most support Obama, ..."  The term leadership comprises
>>>>>           
>> many
>>     
>>>>> atributes.  And part of what are call traditional values is simple
>>>>> honesty.
>>>>> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and saying
>>>>>           
>>> hey,
>>>       
>> "
>>     
>>>>> America, we have a problem..."
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing.  Even if he is a Marxist as is
>>>>>           
>> Bill
>>     
>>>>> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth.  In
>>>>> America a
>>>>> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it.  So it
>>>>>           
>> goes
>>     
>>>>> with his candidate Obama.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what are the elements of Conspiracy?  If you know or should have
>>>>> reasonable known something?  Are you obligated to say something?  If
>>>>>           
>> you
>>     
>>>>> do
>>>>> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
>>>>>
>>>>> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is he
>>>>>           
>> obligated
>>     
>>>>> to
>>>>> speak out?
>>>>>
>>>>> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
>>>>> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>>>>>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>>>>>  Then they came for the Jews,
>>>>>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>>>>> Then they came for the trade unionists
>>>>>     and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>>>>> Then they came for the Catholics
>>>>>     and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>>>>>  Then they came for me
>>>>>    and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>>>>>
>>>>>  --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing
>>>>> Church
>>>>> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no connection at
>>>>>           
>> all
>>     
>>>>> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew who,
>>>>>           
>>> where
>>>       
>>>>> and
>>>>> when, and what possible difference it makes."
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this an admission of an issue?  Saying that because most others
>>>>>           
>>> deny
>>>       
>>>>> the
>>>>> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody else in
>>>>> politics did it, therefore it was o.k.  Saying his friends deny the
>>>>>           
>> issue
>>     
>>>>> does not make it go away.  It is Richard Nixon's arguement all over
>>>>> again.
>>>>> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do not ask
>>>>> them
>>>>> of yourself?  Are lawyers above the law?  Inquiring minds want to
>>>>>           
>>> know?
>>>       
>>>>> Ed K
>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>> attachment for Andrew:
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20084939/Andrew%2527s%2Bversion.jpg
>>>>> Andrew%27s+version.jpg
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