[Rhodes22-list] Legal: Ben Please Help
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Wed Oct 22 00:46:20 EDT 2008
What????!!!!
You don't read each and every word I write, and anxiously wait at your
computer for the next chance??
I'm truly shocked.
Actually, to tell the truth, I sometimes do get you two confused.
Imagine if some other poor guy named Herb wanders onto here....
ben wrote:
> Yeah, I can see where that would happen. We're in the process of getting
> Louisiana to issue my son a birth certificate for just that reason. In
> fairness to the rude lady, you might have also given her a translation.
> Maybe she would have gone for that, maybe not. But of course, you were
> young and didn't know to expect nothing but the laziest attempts to serve
> from your civil servants.
>
> By the way, don't confuse my response from Ben C. He knows what he's
> talking about. I'm guided by experience and a wet finger held up in the
> wind. I'm not sure what was supposed to be settled or what the "threats to
> sue" is all about, but I haven't been reading all of your political banter
> either.
>
> Ben S.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 17:18
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Legal: Ben Please Help
>
> Wow. In my mind, this whole thing was "settled" a long time ago. Now I'm
> curious.
>
> A funny story about this though. When I went to get my marriage license
> back in '79, I took my birth certificate to the county registrar. She
> looked at it, and the conversation with something like this:
>
> She-Is this your birth certificate
> Me-Yes ma'm (I was only 22, much more polite at the time)
> She-It's in German
> Me-Yes ma'am, I was born in Germany
> She-But I can't read it.
> Me-I'm sorry, but it's the only one I have. It was a German hospital,
> that's what they spoke
> She-I can't accept this
> Me-Beg pardon?
> She-I can't accept this.
> Me-What do you mean you can't accept this?
> She-I can't accept this. I can't read it.
> Me-But ma'am, you can see where it has my name, you can see the word
> Amerikanischer, you can see how the date matches this other form I have
> - Report of Live Birth Abroad. THAT's in English
> She-Yes, but the birth certificate is not (I think that being 22 and
> still polite aside, had she said "alleged birth certificate" I might
> have hit her by this time)
> Me-Ma'am, this is my birth certificate. It is the only one I have. If I
> ever managed to get another one, it too would be in German, because I
> was born in Germany. The notion of being "born again" is purely a
> metaphor, I can't really do it. So, if you would, please go get your
> supervisor, so I can get my marriage certificate.
>
> She did, and the supervisor looked at her like she was crazy. But it did
> have me frustrated. I worked at a car dealership at that time, and was
> so ticked at the lady that I backed my demo into a pole. Cost me $250
> that I couldn't afford.
>
> Anyway, probably not nearly as interesting as tossing around threats to
> sue, but it DID have something to do with not being able to read what's
> written, so I thought it remotely applicable.
>
>
> ben wrote:
>
>> I don't know the legal ins and outs, but you can definitely hold more than
>> one citizenship. A neighbor and friend of mine is a citizen of both the
>> United States and Great Britain. She's a Brit by birth, and you know that
>> as soon as you talk to her, but she's also an American citizen, holding
>>
> all
>
>> of the rights that I do, other than that I can be President of the U.S.
>> (Well, there are too many naked or otherwise compromising pictures of me
>>
> out
>
>> there for that to actually happen. There's a better chance that there's a
>> constitutional amendment and she gets elected than me ever holding any
>> public office).
>>
>> My son too holds both Russian and U.S. citizenship. He has passports from
>> both countries. And if it's allowed with Russians, I feel pretty certain
>> that it's allowed with Germans as well. But laws change, so the "when"
>> might have something to do with it. And maybe rules are different if you
>> were born here and chose to attain citizenship of another country. Not
>>
> sure
>
>> on that case.
>>
>> Ben S.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 16:48
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Legal: Ben Please Help
>>
>> I think that the whole "dual citizenship" thing is misunderstood by many.
>>
>> When I turned 18, I was sent documentation asking me to claim a country
>> for my citizenship (I can't really remember the details, they weren't
>> very important to me at the time). I was born to American parents, both
>> legal adults (at the time, 21 was the age of majority), one of whom was
>> stationed on an American Army base, but I was actually born in a
>> civilian hospital.Seeing as how I left Germany at the ripe old age of 13
>> months, when I was 18 it seemed to make sense to me to claim American as
>> my citizenship (I really wanted to vote in the next election, in '86). I
>> DID toy with the idea, for a few brief moments, of claiming German
>> citizenship, just for the notoriety (I was 18, single, and realized that
>> almost ANY "difference" could get you talking to a girl), but even at
>> that young age, I figured the pitfalls outweighed the benefits (but
>> then, who knows for sure?).
>>
>> I was then under the impression that one could not have dual citizenship
>> if one of the countries was the US. I've since though, have had several
>> people tell me that they had a similar experience, and others insist
>> that they hold dual citizenship. I've not seen any consistency in the
>> other countries involved, in other words, I couldn't confidently say you
>> CAN hold dual citizenship with the US and Canada, but not with the US
>> and Germany, as I've seen claims both ways.
>>
>> I'd say that it would be interesting to hear from an immigration lawyer
>> on it sometime.
>>
>>
>> Bill Effros wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> My mother was born in NYC in 1917 to Dutch parents with a business in
>>> the United States. After WWI she went to Holland with her parents, and
>>> enjoyed the benefits of Dutch citizenship.
>>>
>>> In 1938, before her 21st birthday, her parents arranged for her to
>>> return to the United States to claim her American Citizenship, which she
>>> would otherwise have lost, owing to her exercise of Dutch Citizenship.
>>> She traveled to the United States on a US Passport, and remained here as
>>> a United States citizen.
>>>
>>> It was my understanding that she was not eligible to run for President
>>> of the United States because she was a Dutch citizen as a child and had
>>> to reclaim her American citizenship, and thus became a "naturalized"
>>> rather than "native born" citizen.
>>>
>>> Do I have this wrong? Is there still a chance for my mother to become
>>> President?
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
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