[Rhodes22-list] Re spect

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Wed Oct 22 21:06:59 EDT 2008 

Dave,

"Herb is to the right of 99% of the population"?

Oh Bullshit!  You spend too much time in your own echo chamber.  Herb
is right down the middle of America.

Make a pot of coffee and get out of your neighborhood!  Name calling?
So called 'liberals' are the least tolerant people I know. Go to any
college campus.

Just calling a Spade a Spade.

Brad

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:20 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ben, your posts are appreciated by what I suspect is a silent
> majority, even if a slim one.  Herb is to the right of 99% of the
> population, loves to pick a fight and is first to escalate the tone
> and begin the name calling.  He would have been thrown out of any bar
> I've ever hung out in long ago.  Most of us just don't bother to
> reason with him because there is no reasoning, no give and take.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Cittadino
> <bigben65 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Paul;
>>
>> I appreciate the sentiment.  Thanks for the thought. Frankly, I'm
>> reassessing my role here and whether it makes sense to participate further,
>> at least as to the political stuff.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Ben C.
>>
>> pdgrand wrote:
>>>
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> I'm not Jb but I'd like to weigh in on the subject.  As I said in the
>>> past, I used to especially enjoy the political debating between Brad &
>>> Bill in past election cycles.  They didn't get personal and they kept it
>>> respectful.  Bill seems to be sitting this one out, leaving you, Pete &
>>> some others to lead the arguements for the left against Brad, Herb & Ed on
>>> the right.  Personally, I don't recall reading anything from you that I
>>> would term offensive.  Others obviously disagree.  Discussing politics
>>> often evokes different levels of emotion in different people.  Let's keep
>>> the lively debate going, but everyone needs to work on not taking things
>>> personally or getting personal with a reply to what may only be a
>>> perceived insult (which you have done for the most part).  In other words,
>>> everyone just needs to lighten up.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> Dear Jb;
>>>>
>>>> I am curious.  Do you see no problem with Ed's post at the beginning of
>>>> this
>>>> thread? Is it OK for members to call each other such vile names as
>>>> marxist
>>>> or refer to them being co-conspirators in a fraud?  I know your opinion
>>>> about what I said.  What is your opinion of what Ed said, not as it
>>>> relates
>>>> to me but as it relates generally to behavior of forum members? Do you
>>>> find
>>>> such invective entertaining?  I'm trying to be serious here for a moment.
>>>> I
>>>> am interested in your opinion because I haven't skirmished with you
>>>> before
>>>> and I really want a fresh thought on this?  Are you willing to put aside
>>>> the
>>>> "reparte" for a moment and address this subject? You talk, I'll listen.
>>>>
>>>> Ben C.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Herb
>>>>> My pic is at the end of the post.     jb.jpg
>>>>> Jb
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking at my screen, but can't say for sure. I see black, and see
>>>>>> white in your post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both are extremes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You realize, it's all tongue in cheek don't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We both know the truth. Ben was putting out a stupid threat, and was
>>>>>> probably embarrassed that anyone called him on it.... OK, I'll be
>>>>>> honest, probably embarrassed that anyone besides ME called him on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never liked it when the kids at school pumped out their chests like
>>>>>> they were ready to fight. I always thought the real fun was watching
>>>>>> them back down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, I'm an extremist, and probably do look like one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But then, there are worst things in life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>>> > Herb.
>>>>>> > do I look like an extreamist?
>>>>>> > Jb
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > hparsons wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Ahhh, good to know I'm not the only extremist that saw it that way.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Maybe you should look a little closer at how you worded things
>>>>>> Ben....
>>>>>> >> I'm not the only one ....
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> JbTek wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Ben C.
>>>>>> >>> I meant were you threatening to sue. That's what it read like to
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>> >>> I think name calling is allowed on this list, or at least tolerated
>>>>> but
>>>>>> >>> threats are not.
>>>>>> >>> Jb
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>>> >>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:16 PM
>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> Do you mean, was Ed threatening to charge me as a co-conspirator?
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> >>>> sure
>>>>>> >>>> sounded like that to me. Or did you mean was Ed threatening to
>>>>>> label
>>>>> me
>>>>>> >>>> as
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> a
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> marxist? Sure sounded that way to me. Was I threatening to sue Ed?
>>>>> No,
>>>>>> >>>> but
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> I
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> was gently suggesting that if I did not have such a wonderfully
>>>>>> >>>> developed
>>>>>> >>>> sense of humor a person in my position (libeled by him) might have
>>>>> such
>>>>>> >>>> options and he ought not call people defamatory names.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Ben C.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> I got a question or you....was that a threat?
>>>>>> >>>>> Jb
>>>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >>>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>>> >>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
>>>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Ed;
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> >>>>>> it?
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> What
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> makes me a marxist in your view?  Does the 1st Amendment to our
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Constitution
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a
>>>>> marxist
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> who
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>> is
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you
>>>>> have
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> any
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> life savings?  Inquiring minds want to know?
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> >>>>>>> relationship with Ayers.  This issue isn't going away and it
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> shouldn't
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> go away.  Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing
>>>>>> that
>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's
>>>>>> days
>>>>> in
>>>>>> >>>>>>> NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were
>>>>> both
>>>>>> >>>>>>> friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored
>>>>> Obama's
>>>>>> >>>>>>> first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors
>>>>>> Ayer's
>>>>>> >>>>>>> writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second
>>>>>> book
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> was
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> written at a 9th grade level).  But let's forget speculation
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> >>>>>>> moment and stick with what is known.  I'm posting a link
>>>>>> instead
>>>>> of
>>>>>> >>>>>>> the article so you can see the photo.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that
>>>>>> Obama,
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> >>>>>>> building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law
>>>>> firm.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which
>>>>>> by
>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>> way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he
>>>>>> was
>>>>> in
>>>>>> >>>>>>> the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most
>>>>> part
>>>>>> >>>>>>> let him get away with it.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be
>>>>> guilty
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> of
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> perjury - and he may well be, soon.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> socioeconomic
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> class, while most support Obama, ..."  The term leadership
>>>>> comprises
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> many
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> atributes.  And part of what are call traditional values is
>>>>> simple
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> honesty.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and
>>>>> saying
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> hey,
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> "
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> America, we have a problem..."
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing.  Even if he is a Marxist
>>>>>> as
>>>>> is
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Bill
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth.
>>>>> In
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> America a
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it.
>>>>>> So
>>>>> it
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> goes
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> with his candidate Obama.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So what are the elements of Conspiracy?  If you know or should
>>>>> have
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> reasonable known something?  Are you obligated to say
>>>>>> something?
>>>>> If
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> you
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> do
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> obligated
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> speak out?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>  Then they came for the Jews,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then they came for the trade unionists
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>     and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then they came for the Catholics
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>     and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>  Then they came for me
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>    and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>  --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German
>>>>> Confessing
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Church
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no
>>>>> connection
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> at
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>> all
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew
>>>>>> who,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> where
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> when, and what possible difference it makes."
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is this an admission of an issue?  Saying that because most
>>>>> others
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> deny
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody
>>>>>> else
>>>>> in
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> politics did it, therefore it was o.k.  Saying his friends
>>>>>> deny
>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> issue
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> does not make it go away.  It is Richard Nixon's arguement all
>>>>> over
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> ask
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> them
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of yourself?  Are lawyers above the law?  Inquiring minds want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> know?
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
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