[Rhodes22-list] Re spect
David Bradley
dwbrad at gmail.com
Thu Oct 23 02:46:30 EDT 2008
Herb, I assume you are reading the list and it's an open forum. My
reply was voiced to Ben in answer to his question, but it was for you.
I stand by my statements. You label yourself as extreme, and I
agree. I don't recall anyone directly calling you a racist or a
religous kook or a bigot. I do recall you telling people they are an
asshole with some frequency. I think you degrade the experience for
all.
My opinion. Call me what you will.
Dave
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> Gee Davey, I wish I wuz smart like you. I thinks ah did a little give
> and take, but I definitely didn't run Ben down to someone else and
> pretend he couldn't see what I was saying.
>
> I'll give Ben this much, he has an issue with someone, he addresses it
> to them directly, not as an aside to someone else.
>
>
> David Bradley wrote:
>> Ben, your posts are appreciated by what I suspect is a silent
>> majority, even if a slim one. Herb is to the right of 99% of the
>> population, loves to pick a fight and is first to escalate the tone
>> and begin the name calling. He would have been thrown out of any bar
>> I've ever hung out in long ago. Most of us just don't bother to
>> reason with him because there is no reasoning, no give and take.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Cittadino
>> <bigben65 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul;
>>>
>>> I appreciate the sentiment. Thanks for the thought. Frankly, I'm
>>> reassessing my role here and whether it makes sense to participate further,
>>> at least as to the political stuff.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Ben C.
>>>
>>> pdgrand wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ben,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not Jb but I'd like to weigh in on the subject. As I said in the
>>>> past, I used to especially enjoy the political debating between Brad &
>>>> Bill in past election cycles. They didn't get personal and they kept it
>>>> respectful. Bill seems to be sitting this one out, leaving you, Pete &
>>>> some others to lead the arguements for the left against Brad, Herb & Ed on
>>>> the right. Personally, I don't recall reading anything from you that I
>>>> would term offensive. Others obviously disagree. Discussing politics
>>>> often evokes different levels of emotion in different people. Let's keep
>>>> the lively debate going, but everyone needs to work on not taking things
>>>> personally or getting personal with a reply to what may only be a
>>>> perceived insult (which you have done for the most part). In other words,
>>>> everyone just needs to lighten up.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Jb;
>>>>>
>>>>> I am curious. Do you see no problem with Ed's post at the beginning of
>>>>> this
>>>>> thread? Is it OK for members to call each other such vile names as
>>>>> marxist
>>>>> or refer to them being co-conspirators in a fraud? I know your opinion
>>>>> about what I said. What is your opinion of what Ed said, not as it
>>>>> relates
>>>>> to me but as it relates generally to behavior of forum members? Do you
>>>>> find
>>>>> such invective entertaining? I'm trying to be serious here for a moment.
>>>>> I
>>>>> am interested in your opinion because I haven't skirmished with you
>>>>> before
>>>>> and I really want a fresh thought on this? Are you willing to put aside
>>>>> the
>>>>> "reparte" for a moment and address this subject? You talk, I'll listen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb
>>>>>> My pic is at the end of the post. jb.jpg
>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:30 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking at my screen, but can't say for sure. I see black, and see
>>>>>>> white in your post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both are extremes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You realize, it's all tongue in cheek don't you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We both know the truth. Ben was putting out a stupid threat, and was
>>>>>>> probably embarrassed that anyone called him on it.... OK, I'll be
>>>>>>> honest, probably embarrassed that anyone besides ME called him on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never liked it when the kids at school pumped out their chests like
>>>>>>> they were ready to fight. I always thought the real fun was watching
>>>>>>> them back down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, I'm an extremist, and probably do look like one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then, there are worst things in life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb.
>>>>>>>> do I look like an extreamist?
>>>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ahhh, good to know I'm not the only extremist that saw it that way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe you should look a little closer at how you worded things
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not the only one ....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JbTek wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>> I meant were you threatening to sue. That's what it read like to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think name calling is allowed on this list, or at least tolerated
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> threats are not.
>>>>>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:16 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you mean, was Ed threatening to charge me as a co-conspirator?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>> sounded like that to me. Or did you mean was Ed threatening to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> label
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> marxist? Sure sounded that way to me. Was I threatening to sue Ed?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> was gently suggesting that if I did not have such a wonderfully
>>>>>>>>>>> developed
>>>>>>>>>>> sense of humor a person in my position (libeled by him) might have
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> such
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> options and he ought not call people defamatory names.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a question or you....was that a threat?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes me a marxist in your view? Does the 1st Amendment to our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Constitution
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> marxist
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> life savings? Inquiring minds want to know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship with Ayers. This issue isn't going away and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go away. Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> both
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ayer's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> written at a 9th grade level). But let's forget speculation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment and stick with what is known. I'm posting a link
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the article so you can see the photo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obama,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> firm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> part
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let him get away with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> guilty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perjury - and he may well be, soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socioeconomic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> class, while most support Obama, ..." The term leadership
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> comprises
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atributes. And part of what are call traditional values is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> simple
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> honesty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hey,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> America, we have a problem..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing. Even if he is a Marxist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> America a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with his candidate Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what are the elements of Conspiracy? If you know or should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable known something? Are you obligated to say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> obligated
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak out?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then they came for the Jews,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then they came for the trade unionists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then they came for the Catholics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then they came for me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Confessing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Church
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> connection
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> who,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when, and what possible difference it makes."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this an admission of an issue? Saying that because most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> others
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politics did it, therefore it was o.k. Saying his friends
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> deny
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not make it go away. It is Richard Nixon's arguement all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> over
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of yourself? Are lawyers above the law? Inquiring minds want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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