[Rhodes22-list] How Much for the White House?
Brad Haslett
flybrad at gmail.com
Mon Oct 27 21:32:13 EDT 2008
Well, well, well, the MSM is sloooooooly getting around to the story.
Pam Geller has only been on this since last July.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4550749n&tag=centerColumn;centerColumnContent
CBS still couldn't bring themselves to ask the real question: why did
the Obama campaign turn off the AVS system?
Brad
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rummy,
>
> Turns out, the "bailout" package had nothing to do with keeping banks
> solvent. It was all about keeping you in hootch.
>
> Brad
>
> ----------------------
>
> US territories defend bailout package's rum bill
>
> By DAVID McFADDEN, Associated Press Writer
>
> Thursday, October 2, 2008
>
> (10-02) 17:05 PDT SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) --
>
> A tax break for rum produced in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin
> Islands may trigger a hangover for proponents of Congress' huge
> bailout bill after the U.S. Senate tacked on tax reductions for the
> islands' liquor.
>
> A group of House Republicans in Washington who have opposed the US$700
> billion bailout indicated Thursday they would support the bill if it
> is slashed to US$250 billion and if several tax breaks added by the
> Senate — including the one for rum — are removed.
>
> But authorities in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands pointed out
> Thursday that the bill to cover federal taxes on rum from the tropical
> territories dates back to a 1917 act and is typically renewed with
> little fanfare.
>
> "People who didn't notice it previous years, well, they definitely
> noticed it now due to the financial mess," said Jaime Gonzalez, senior
> policy adviser for Puerto Rico's nonvoting representative in Congress.
>
> Territory officials says the measure is not a payout to rum producers,
> and the proceeds help finance infrastructure and public services.
>
> Ryan Alexander, the president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a
> Washington-based watchdog group, said including tangential items such
> as the rum provision in the midst of a high-stakes debate over a
> historic bailout package was "pulled out of an old bag of tricks."
>
> "Many of these tax extenders have been waiting in the wings for
> months, hoping for a legislative train to leave the station,"
> Alexander said in Washington. "In these times of historic economic
> turmoil, it is hard to believe that these narrow tax benefits are in
> the best interests of the country."
>
> Donna Christensen, the nonvoting congressional delegate from the U.S.
> Virgin Islands, denied the rum measure is "pork barrel" spending. She
> described it as part of Washington's traditional benefits to the
> governments of the U.S. islands, where rum is a key industry. The tax
> break expired on Dec. 31, 2007, and the bill would extend it.
>
> In Washington, a group of 23 House Republicans — 20 of whom voted "no"
> on Monday to the bailout — held a news conference Thursday to call for
> the amount of bailout to be lowered and for the removal of the four
> tax breaks. Republican Rep. David Hobson of Ohio called the add-ons
> "outrageous."
>
> In its current form, the estimated cost of the U.S. Caribbean rum tax
> proposal, which provides payment to Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin
> Islands for rum imported into the mainland, is US$192 million over 10
> years.
>
> ___
>
> Associated Press writer Andrew Taylor in Washington contributed to this story.
>
> (This version CORRECTS Corrects to $250 billion in graf 2.)
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>> Paul,
>> Do you really mean that someone can actually buy a political office? I'm
>> appalled.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/27/2008 8:22:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net writes:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> No, I don't think it's any kind of conspiracy either. What I think is
>> that it's a shameful attempt to collect a much larger sum total of
>> donations so that he can try to essentially buy the election. He's also
>> making it easy for contributors to get around the maximum limit. Why
>> won't he make the information public as John McCain did?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>> I made a contriubtion to the McCain site with an improper address and
>>> it went through just fine. We'll see if it hits my credit card.
>>>
>>> The Obama site asked people to certify that I was authorized to give
>>> the money, as did the McCain site. It didn't ask for the secuirty
>>> code on my card, but it's not the only e-commerce site that doesn't.
>>>
>>> Is it your contention that this is a conspiracy of Obama and/or his
>>> campaign, to allow foreign interests to contribute and that he will
>>> somehow be indebted?
>>>
>>> If true, throw him in jail and throw away the key. But I don't believe
>>> it's true. I don't believe in the conspiracy theory.
>>>
>>> I have no problem at all with Obama forgoing public financing and
>>> raising a ton of money. I have no problem with him changing his mind
>>> on that topic. I think it's interesting to see people voting with
>>> their wallets.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:44 AM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
>>>> Brad,
>>>>
>>>> I've intentionally waited awhile before posting on this subject. I
>>>> wanted
>>>> to hear specifically what the Obama supporters had to say on the
>>>> subject.
>>>> Is it just me or have they been strangely silent about this? I think
>>>> this
>>>> is a major issue because it speaks of the character of the man and his
>>>> campaign (along with other issues he prefers to skirt or not respond
>>>> to).
>>>> Why is no one on this list from the left leaning persuasion addressing
>>>> or
>>>> speaking up about this? Is it a non-issue for them?
>>>>
>>>> Ben C., you're a thoughtful voice for that side. If I've missed one of
>>>> your or other's posts on this subject, please forgive me. If you would,
>>>> please re-send it. If not, please let me hear your opinion on this.
>>>> Specifically, how can this not matter to you?
>>>>
>>>> Even though I won't vote for him, I honestly and respectfully want to
>>>> believe in him because he may be my next President. So far, I'm having
>>>> a
>>>> hard time believing he is anything but a dirty, sleazy, smooth-talking,
>>>> corupt politician. I think Brad's right. He's got a lot of people in
>>>> this country fooled.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>> The 2008 Presidential campaign will go down in history as the most
>>>>> corrupt in our nation, ever. What we're witnessing here is something
>>>>> you'd expect in some third-world banana republic. Remember the pledge
>>>>> to take public campaign funds? Vanished down the memory hole like so
>>>>> many incriminating characters from the past. Here's the latest
>>>>> example-
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> October 23, 2008 Posted by Scott at 6:52 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> We've previously noted the gusher of illegal campaign contributions
>>>>> flowing into the Obama campaign from contributors such as "Doodad Pro"
>>>>> and "Good Will." More recently, incidents have been reported in which
>>>>> people have seen credit card charges surface suggesting they donated
>>>>> to Barack Obama when they did not. Matthew Mosk and Sarah Cohen noted
>>>>> one such incident earlier this week:
>>>>>
>>>>> Now comes the story of Mary T. Biskup, of Manchester, Missouri.
>>>>> Biskup got a call recently from the Obama campaign, which was trying
>>>>> to figure out why she donated $174,800 to the campaign -- well over
>>>>> the contribution limit of $2,300.
>>>>>
>>>>> The answer she gave them was simple. "That's an error."
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the Obama campaign knowingly receiving illegal contributions?
>>>>> Yesterday one of our readers reported the results of an experiment he
>>>>> conducted:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've read recent reports of the Obama campaign receiving donations
>>>>> from dubious names and foreign locales and it got me wondering: How is
>>>>> this possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> I run a small Internet business and when I process credit cards
>>>>> I'm required to make sure the name on the card exactly matches the
>>>>> name of the customer making the purchase. Also, the purchaser's
>>>>> address must match that of the cardholders. If these don't match, then
>>>>> the payment isn't approved. Period. So how is it possible that the
>>>>> Obama campaign could receive donations from fictional people and
>>>>> places? Well, I decided to do a little experiment. I went to the Obama
>>>>> campaign website and entered the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> Name: John Galt
>>>>> Address: 1957 Ayn Rand Lane
>>>>> City: Galts Gulch
>>>>> State: CO
>>>>> Zip: 99999
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I checked the box next to $15 and entered my actual credit
>>>>> card number and expiration date (it didn't ask for the 3-didgit code
>>>>> on the back of the card) and it took me to the next page and... "Your
>>>>> donation has been processed. Thank you for your generous gift."
>>>>>
>>>>> This simply should not, and could not, happen in any business or
>>>>> any campaign that is honestly trying to vet it's donors. Also, I don't
>>>>> see how this could possibly happen without the collusion of the credit
>>>>> card companies. They simply wouldn't allow any business to process,
>>>>> potentially, hundreds of millions in credit card transactions where
>>>>> the name on the card doesn't match the purchasers name.
>>>>>
>>>>> In short, with the system set up as it is by the Obama camp, an
>>>>> individual could donate unlimited amounts of money by simply making up
>>>>> fake names and addresses. And Obama is doing his best to facilitate
>>>>> this fraud. This is truly scandalous.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our reader was not yet done. He tried the experiment on the McCain
>>>>> site: "I tried the exact same thing at the McCain site and it didn't
>>>>> allow the transaction." He then repeated the experiment at the Obama
>>>>> site:
>>>>>
>>>>> I went back to the Obama site and made three additional donations
>>>>> using the names Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Bill Ayers, all
>>>>> with different addresses. All the transactions went through using the
>>>>> same credit card. I saved screenshots of the transactions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our reader reports, incidentally, that he was using his MasterCard for
>>>>> the contributions. We submit this report in the spirit of inquiry and
>>>>> would especially appreciate hearing from readers who can illuminate
>>>>> how credit card procedures might (or might not) allow this to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> UPDATE: Readers have replicated the experiment reported in this post.
>>>>> We will have to revisit the issue tonight or tomorrow and appreciate
>>>>> any information you can provide in the meantime.
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