[Rhodes22-list] Politics - The Chicago Way

Tue Sep 2 11:15:37 EDT 2008

Bill,

 Here's another summation of  your argument.

"Palin really is what Obama pretends to be, but is not: a citizen
activist who entered politics in order to fight entrenched interests
and bring about tangible, practical change. The track record shows
that Obama, far from being a "change agent," is a relentless careerist
who has brought little, if any, major reform to Chicago; Springfield,
Ill., or Washington."

You can read the whole thing here-

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0902/p09s02-coop.html

Brad

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Slim,
>
> The Obama campaign is being run "The Chicago Way" -- all elbows -- very
> dirty -- accuse your opponent of doing what you are doing -- "Do onto
> others before they do onto you."
>
> The democrats have latched onto the "George W. Bush of the Left".   They
> have decided to use the Lee Atwater playbook.  The campaign slogan of
> liberals seems to be "The End Justifies the Means".
>
> It's sad.
>
> Obama has absolutely zero political credentials.  His campaign biography
> is a complete fake.  The white Chicago political machine has been using
> him as a wedge in the black community since the Chicago Arab-American
> community first latched onto him.  He is under federal investigation for
> bribery, corruption, extortion, and campaign fraud.  He has taken every
> side on every issue -- no one has the slightest idea where he stands on
> any of the issues you raise.
>
> Obama's little girls can be used as campaign props, but they are
> off-limits for anyone to raise as campaign issues.  Not Sarah Palin's
> though!  We learn that her daughter is pregnant within days of her
> addition to the Republican ticket.  "Liberals" are saying she should
> spend more time at home with her kids, so this kind of thing wouldn't
> happen in the first place.  "Keep 'em barefoot in the kitchen..."
>
> I've got lots of liberal friends saying the same kinds of things you are
> saying.  "Winning is everything."  "Let's use the same tactics the
> Republicans used."   "What we need is another moron surrounded by
> 'experienced advisors' who will make all the right decisions for him.
> Hey!  It worked just great for Bush and Cheney."
>
> And now that it's becoming increasingly clear that Obama is a crook, and
> is likely to be indicted, we've got the "no big deal -- they're all
> crooks" argument.  Well, I don't believe that, and yes it does matter to
> me.  It matters a lot.
>
> It also matters to the constitution.  The crimes Obama apparently
> committed are an automatic bar to the Presidency.  If elected he cannot
> serve--these particular crimes (unlike blow jobs) are actually named in
> the constitution as grounds for removal.
>
> Stop this Obama weeping and move on to what you know is right!
>
> Bill Effros
> Rummy's Bar and Grill Patron Since 1997
>
>
>
> Steven Alm wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>> I want to ask you the same question.  What's going on here?  Do you really
>> advocate electing a VP who has only been the mayor of a town of less than
>> 9000 and a Gov. for two years?  OK, so she was able to ruffle the feathers
>> of some of the GOP.  Is that why you're backing her?  Is that where you're
>> really hanging you hat?  That's not the Bill I know.
>>
>> I made a mistake when I wrote that she's pro-choice.  I was wrong.  Bad
>> information.  Is pro-life what you're advocating?  That's not the Bill I
>> know.
>>
>> We know you're a disgruntled Hillary supporter and we know you think Obama's
>> a crook re the campaign finances.   So are you really jumping ship on that
>> issue?  That's not the Bill I know.
>>
>> Have you forgotten that unemployment is at a high, poverty level is rising,
>> people are without jobs, median income is down, no health care, the needless
>> and costly war in Iraq, the depleting of SS, the vanishing pensions, the
>> enormous debt?   What do you want for Chrisssake?   This is not the Bill I
>> know!
>>
>> What has the war in Iraq done for us?  Nothing, unless you're Haliburton.
>> Follow the money!
>>
>> It's time you get over Hillary's loss and join the fray.  OBAMA IN 08!!!!
>>
>> "Change,"  "Hope,"  anything to elect a Democrat as the next President!  I
>> want something to be done!
>>
>> Health Care.  Nay-sayers are quick to point out flaws in Canada, Norway or
>> where ever.  Why not assume we can do it better than any of those other
>> countries.  We're NOT Canada or Norway!  Why shouldn't we  show the world
>> how it's done?  Why couldn't we put together a system that beats all?
>> THAT'S the American way of doing things!!!
>>
>> The assistant minister to health care in Kazakhstan, Sheila O'Dougherty, who
>> makes it her job to understand the health care systems of the world and also
>> happens to be my cousin, says we already have the funds to do this if we
>> decide to.  It wouldn't necessarily demand extra taxes.  Why are we fighting
>> this?  Because Republicans don't like the idea of "Socialized Medicine" even
>> though all the world's greatest country's have adopted it.  Why not do it
>> and be the best at it?
>>
>> Bill, I'm sorry you think Barack's a crook.  Maybe he is, but at least he's
>> in good company.  He's a politician after all.   Campaign fiance faux
>> pax--Stop the frickin' presses!   Get over yourself and support the
>> democrats!  Stop this Hillary weeping and move on to what you know is right!
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Slim,
>>>
>>> I'm surprised at the sexist comments.
>>>
>>> What's going on here?
>>>
>>> Obama has accomplished nothing and gone along with corrupt Cook County
>>> Machine politics for his entire career.  He has only won rigged
>>> elections, and stood up to nobody.  He started running for President 2
>>> years after becoming a US Senator, and has taken all sides on every
>>> position.  He is young, charismatic, attractive, inexperienced..."A
>>> Candidate Who Represents Change"...oh! and did I mention...he's a man.
>>>
>>> So along comes this woman who fought the good ol' boy network in her own
>>> party and beat them.  She taxed oil companies.  Stood up to venerated
>>> party leaders.  Fought corruption and wasteful spending.  She talks the
>>> talk and walks the walk.  She opposes abortion and had a Down Syndrome
>>> child.  She supports the military and one of her children is in Iraq.
>>> She is young, charismatic, attractive, inexperienced..."A Candidate Who
>>> Represents Change".  She was Governor for 2 years before running for the
>>> office of Vice President.
>>>
>>> But the "don't smear our boy" campaign immediately put out email all
>>> over the internet smearing her as "poofy".
>>>
>>> The good ol' boys running Obama's campaign have a long history of
>>> smearing women.  They smeared Hillary.  They smeared Geraldine Ferraro.
>>> Now they are smearing Palin.
>>>
>>> I'm really surprised you passed this smear along.  I know you better.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brad,
>>>>
>>>> I think she's right about ANWR.  Yep, that's me who said that.  You know
>>>>
>>> I'm
>>>
>>>> a liberal but I'm pulling for more domestic drilling.  And you can
>>>> definitely put me in the "all of the above" column.
>>>>
>>>> BUT...  let's say McCain dies and she's the pres.  Do you think she's
>>>>
>>> ready
>>>
>>>> to lock horns with the likes of Vlad "The Impaler" Putin?  Kim Jong Il?
>>>> Ahmadinnerjacket?  So much for the argument over Obama's inexperience.
>>>>
>>>  I'd
>>>
>>>> want Barack to face off with those characters WAY more than Poofy Palin.
>>>>
>>>> McCain is obviously playing to the upset Clinton supporters.  She's
>>>> pro-choice.  She's a loose cannon among the GOP (Greed Over People) and
>>>>
>>> this
>>>
>>>> will not help him in his party.  He's vying for the independents and the
>>>> women but it won't work.  He just sealed Obama's victory.  Thank God he
>>>> didn't pick Pawlenty which might have turned our blue state to red and
>>>>
>>> left
>>>
>>>> us with Carol Molnau as our gov.  Whew!
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here's your "lightweight" beauty queen "minority" pick on ANWR.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=836304396
>>>>>
>>>>> Lot's of "big boys" didn't take the Guv serious and got their "clocks
>>>>> cleaned".
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
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