[Rhodes22-list] Political....there they go again.

Tue Sep 9 11:53:11 EDT 2008

Brad,
Why is it that the ultra conservative far right wing fanatics of the  
Republican party find it necessary to call people names and place labels on  them? I 
would never stoop so low as to call a Republican a zealot or fanatic or  
religious nut.

Rummy

In a message dated 9/9/2008 9:14:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:

Brad,

I think one of the most fun things about this has been  watching the 
"liberal left" revealing their true nature - sexist religious  bigots.

Brad Haslett wrote:
> Pete,
>
> I'm sure glad  you're not trying to pin that label on Palin.  The "book
> banning"  story has been debunked over, and over, and over.  I'll send
> you  some links this afternoon after my "teeth cleaning" if you insist
> on  this silliness. Oh yeah, the WaPo has an article out about Palin's
>  expense reports. These people are desperate for anything.  I'll  be
> happy to de-bunk that one for you this afternoon as well, and oh  what
> fun it is to make the Wash.  Two things we have learned this  election
> cycle, (1) the MSM is totally in the tank for "The One", and  (2) they
> are STUPID!
>
> Attached is an e-mail from an  Alaskan about Palin's record as Guv and
> her social conservative  views.
>
> Brad
>
>  -------------------------
>
> Nate:
>
> As someone who  lives in Wasilla, Alaska, who knows Sarah's family, and
> has watched  her rise in politics over the last 10 years, I would
> concede that she  probably does not have the knowledge of international
> markets as  someone with a Ph.D. in finance. That being said, though, I
> would  still want her in office as opposed to others for several
>  reasons.
>
> First, she has understood, more than most  politicians, that government
> does not produce. It only erect barriers  to economic production. That
> right there puts her ahead of many  persons who may have more formal
> education on the  matter.
>
> Second, her actions as governor demonstrate a  commitment, at least as
> much as a Republican can be committed to such  an ideal, to less
> government regulation of markets. Her first year in  office, she used a
> line item veto to excise roughly 15% of the  government budget, even in
> the Mat-Su Valley, because of her  philosophical disagreements with
> government spending in that area. She  cut property taxes while mayor
> and otherwise reduced regulatory and  financial burdens. While
> governor, she fought to get rid of the  certificate of need (CON)
> requirement for health care providers. She  was unsuccessful, but she
> did more than a lot of other  politicians.
>
> In that light, I would trust her gut reaction  more than I would
> someone such as Biden or Obama, who seem to believe  that government
> can play a positive role in the  economy.
>
> To respond to Orin's post, then, about Palin, there  are definitely
> some matters of Palin's politics I do not care for.  Before going into
> that so much, I would point to a good post for  separating rumor from
> fact is here:
>
>
>
>  Thus, rumors about book banning, etc., do not concern me so much
>  because they are revealed to be incorrect or hoaxes.
>
> I am  pro-choice and, while Palin has been decidedly conservative on
> that  point, she has not governed as a socially conservative governor.
> Our  Supreme Court held that, since marriage is defined as including
> only  different-sex couples, the equal protection clause of the state
>  constitution mandated providing employer benefits to same-sex couples
>  of state employees. Palin publicly disagreed with the ruling but went
>  on to do - nothing. She did not seek to stack the court. She did not
>  seek to appoint different judges, amend the constitution or other
>  matters. Rather, she ordered the department of law to implement the
>  decision. That has been her modus operandi so far - follow the rules
>  even if she disagrees with them. Remember that Alaska's state
>  constitutional right to abortion as a part of the right of privacy
>  precedes Roe v. Wade. Yet Palin has not championed to overturn that or
>  impose a rigid pro-life perspective but rather left matters pretty
>  much alone.
>
> For that reason, I am not as concerned with her  social conservatism.
> And while an economics professor would know more  about the global
> economy, her instincts to get government out of the  way will solve far
> more problems than most other politicians. So,  while I cannot vouch
> for her knowledge of the economy, I can vouch for  what she has
> actually done. And based on that, I can say that as a  libertarian
> (actually much closer to an anarchist in the Murray  Rothbard/Randy
> Barnett tradition), I would rather Palin get into  office than any of
> the other candidates with a reasonable chance of  winning.
> 9.9.2008 1:55am
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:39  AM, petelargo <petelauritzen at earthlink.net> 
wrote:
>    
>> an individual who is driven by their religious Belief to impose  their 
Belief
>> on others in order to "save you" for what they  believe is your own good by
>> using their civic power and position  to support and pass laws requiring 
your
>> compliance with their  Beliefs, hence making societal criminals out of 
people
>> should they  not share these particular Beliefs. Always combined with an
>>  inherent feeling of righteous seniority and intolerance of other  beliefs,
>> based on the belief that their Belief is superior to all  other beliefs.
>>
>> examples: 1)  supporting and  imposing laws that state what you can and
>> cannot do with or put in  your own body as an adult based on their specific
>> religion 2)  supporting restrictions and public bans of literature, books,
>>  movies, and art that may not support their religion 3) attempts to  create
>> laws that make their religion the 'official state' religion  4) imposing
>> their religion as the 'truth' that must be taught in  public forums over
>> empirical contrary scientific evidence 5)  wanting to change the 
Constitution
>> of the United States in order  to better reflect their specific religion 6)
>> supporting  deconstructing boundaries between church and state in order to
>>  more effectively implement the above
>>
>>
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