[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans

Tue Sep 9 15:04:31 EDT 2008

OK, Brad, for one thing he's Harvard Law.  That's nothing to sneeze at.
Palin doesn't even have a Masters.  Or is that just elitist.

Slim

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Stan,
>
> In the jargon of fighter pilots, "this is a target rich environment".
> So I pick you as the target among the many threads to begin the fight.
>  Who is the most devoutly religious person currently elected to
> office? I don't know either but I'm guessing Senator Lieberman.  When
> he was the VP candidate with Gore in 2000 did we hear the constant
> refrain of: "If Gore takes the Whitehouse, and he gets stomped by a
> big 'carbon footprint', Uncle Joe will outlaw BBQ pork sandwiches for
> life!"  No, no one gave a shit.  The current conversation is much to
> do about nothing.  Let's get back to "what exactly did Obama ever do
> at any point in his life but complain about his or someone else's
> treatment?"  Short of running for something, what has he accomplished?
>  Something, anything!
>
> Brad
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:26 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > Slim,
> >
> > As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you really
> plan
> > to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct religious
> > instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood) I would be
> > truly saddened.   I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's inability to
> > live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to forgive them
> -
> > I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden to
> address.
> > John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp could be
> our
> > leader without notice.  Then where would this country's founding desire
> for
> > religious freedom end up?  The first example is already on the table and
> > Catholic Joe has it right:  When life starts is a religious opinion and
> > should not be one decided by government.   You may feel life does not
> start
> > until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months before the
> start,
> > the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.  Personally
> I
> > don't think it starts until after college.  If we allow a Palin to call
> such
> > shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys insisted
> on
> > avoiding.   McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his way the
> first
> > judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the list of her
> > kind.   Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed god onto
> our
> > coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
> eventually,
> > become strong advocates of the second amendment.
> >
> > John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably revert to
> > many of his reasonable positions.  It is Palin I am fearful will give us
> > even worse than another 8 years.  (And this from a confessed womanizer.)
> >
> > stan/ec
> >  .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are going
> to
> > save us from the Republicans
> >
> >
> >> Todd,
> >>
> >> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook.  And you're right,
> I
> >> won't vote for a religious kook.  I haven't studied Darwin very much
> (and
> >> I
> >> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the only
> rebuke
> >> to creationism.  Since most of the species of plant and animal life on
> >> this
> >> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
> >>
> >> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life started.  Are
> you
> >> sure?  How do you know this?  What I know is that all religions serve in
> >> answering three questions:  Where did we come from, how do we live and
> >> what
> >> happens when we die?  Myself, I've answered those questions to my own
> >> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
> >>
> >> Slim
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Slim, Wow!  are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a Marxist
> >>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist? :^D
> >>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating.  Carbon has been proven by many
> >>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating.  I am far from
> >>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only a
> >>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much scientific
> >>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the truth,
> surely
> >>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible.  You are/were an
> >>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all were.
> >>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it truth.
> >>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all stomach
> >>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
> >>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
> >>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is myth. It
> >>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway.  He thought he could further
> explain
> >>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and everything
> >>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that first
> >>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze."  I like
> how
> >>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
> >>>
> >>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
> >>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
> supernatural
> >>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
> >>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically
> >>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us
> with
> >>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God.
> I
> >>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe
> in
> >>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
> scientifically
> >>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
> >>>
> >>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the
> >>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
> >>>
> >>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself realized
> >>> evolution was not workable.
> >>>
> >>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
> >>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
> >>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
> >>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
> >>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin, "The
> >>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
> >>>
> >>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could
> >>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
> >>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."  (Charles
> Darwin,
> >>> "The Origin of Species")
> >>>
> >>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
> whether
> >>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."  (Charles Darwin, Life and
> >>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
> >>>
> >>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists to
> >>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
> >>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but that
> >>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some
> other
> >>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it is
> ok
> >>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools teach
> this
> >>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the theory of
> >>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to kill a
> >>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing in
> >>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see this
> as
> >>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
> >>>
> >>> Todd T
> >>>
> >>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from
> apes.
> >>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made to feel
> >>> inferior.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Steven Alm"
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going to
> >>> save us from the Republicans
> >>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs."
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin is
> >>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a Lutheran
> >>> but
> >>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community
> and
> >>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and
> earth
> >>> are
> >>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist,
> did
> >>> you?
> >>>
> >>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners
> should
> >>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the
> world,
> >>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
> >>>
> >>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
> >>>
> >>> Slim
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
> her
> >>> > personal beliefs from her duties."
> >>> >
> >>> > Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
> beliefs.
> >>> >> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
> her
> >>> >> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would have
> >>> >> denied benefits to gay couples.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
> >>> >> SOMETHING on her.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>> >> > She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker
> for
> >>> >> me.
> >>> >> > Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > The most important legacy the president leaves is the appointment
> of
> >>> the
> >>> >> > supreme court.
> >>> >> > The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda has
> >>> her
> >>> >> way,
> >>> >> > say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
> >>> >> abortions.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Slim
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a
> >>> running
> >>> >> >> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
> >>> touted as
> >>> >> >> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
> something
> >>> >> that
> >>> >> >> works.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's she
> >>> >> >> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> petelargo wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is no
> >>> >> dialogue
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> with
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion and
> >>> your
> >>> >> an
> >>> >> >>> idiot to boot.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas.
> At
> >>> the
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> RNC,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a
> >>> failed
> >>> >> >>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are
> >>> trying
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> >>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an issues
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> discussion.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is
> now
> >>> the
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> change
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible corruption
> in
> >>> >> >>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined a
> >>> whole
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> new
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the
> >>> last
> >>> >> eight
> >>> >> >>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
> >>> against.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin vs
> >>> >> Obama.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> It's
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
> >>> >> >>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
> >>> >> administration
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> in
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
> "executive
> >>> >> >>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
> Republicans
> >>> >> had
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> the
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was it
> >>> for
> >>> >> you?
> >>> >> >>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but when
> >>> they
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> start
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone
> too
> >>> far.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
> twisting
> >>> >> >>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not attack
> >>> us,
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> >>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of
> the
> >>> >> >>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another religious
> >>> kook
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> >>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right to
> >>> >> 'bridge'
> >>> >> >>> them into this administration and get money.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing
> chinese
> >>> ass
> >>> >> >>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive government
> >>> on
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> >>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
> >>> actually
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> think
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of conservatism?
> >>> The
> >>> >> two
> >>> >> >>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
> government
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> intrusion
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that walked
> >>> that
> >>> >> talk
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> in
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
> >>> surplus.
> >>> >> He
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> blew
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is no
> >>> >> greater
> >>> >> >>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do
> >>> with or
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> put
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions,
> but
> >>> she
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> wants
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No thanks.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> So....are we having fun yet?
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to
> join
> >>> the
> >>> >> >>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
> >>> >> >>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is
> >>> spread
> >>> >> out
> >>> >> >>>> among more than one target.
> >>> >> >>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
> >>> >> "illegitimi
> >>> >> >>>> non carborundum".
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I posted
> >>> about
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >> Obama
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
> >>> >> >>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a
> >>> farm
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >> animal.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>>> What did he expect when he said that?
> >>> >> >>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of
> >>> his
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >> fellow
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
> >>> >> >>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and
> >>> don't
> >>> >> >>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
> >>> >> interesting
> >>> >> >>>> place.
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds.
> >>> First,
> >>> >> he
> >>> >> >>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
> >>> >> >>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did
> is
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >> several
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
> >>> >> >>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support
> >>> Obama
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >> were
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
> >>> >> >>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb, you
> >>> are
> >>> >> >>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for
> that
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >> reason.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will
> >>> >> support
> >>> >> >>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
> point
> >>> >> out
> >>> >> >>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know for
> >>> sure
> >>> >> is
> >>> >> >>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I
> have
> >>> >> thought
> >>> >> >>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
> >>> completely
> >>> >> >>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft' repeated
> >>> mantra
> >>> >> I
> >>> >> >>>> know I have "done my homework".
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> Cheers!
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
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