[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Sep 9 15:43:12 EDT 2008
Slim's a better musician than Elvis.
Elvis is dead.
Supposedly.
Brad Haslett wrote:
> Slim,
>
> I beg to differ. You have an extensive education in music and I've
> seen your act. You're a damn good musician. Elvis couldn't read
> music and never so much as attended junior college. Who is the better
> musician? I'd vote you but Elvis sold more records. Education (if you
> can afford it) is an obligation, not a privilege. No one owes you a
> living just because you have an education. The concept of Adam
> Smith's "invisible hand" was that you had a marketable skill or
> fulfilled a need in the marketplace. If you are nothing but another
> body who can "fog a mirror and show a temp" then life owes you
> nothing. If choosing the POTUS is all about education then lets do
> away with the voting bullshit and just let the tenured professors pick
> among themselves.
>
> Brad
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Brad,
>>
>> You took the bait hook, line and sinker. You asked for something he
>> accomplished and Harvard Law is certainly one. If education don't mean shit
>> then why is there such a difference in wages of high school drop outs vs.
>> grads vs. BS vs. masters vs. PhD, etc?
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Slim,
>>>
>>> You friggin-A-right that is elitist! I've listened to that shit all
>>> my life and including you. You've run your mouth off about how stupid
>>> Bush 43 is when in fact he made better grades than Kerry at Yale.
>>> Education doesn't mean shit! I've met construction workers in "the
>>> pit" who were smarter than all four running for POTUS. You are the
>>> elitist, Sir!
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, Brad, for one thing he's Harvard Law. That's nothing to sneeze at.
>>>> Palin doesn't even have a Masters. Or is that just elitist.
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>
>>>>> In the jargon of fighter pilots, "this is a target rich environment".
>>>>> So I pick you as the target among the many threads to begin the fight.
>>>>> Who is the most devoutly religious person currently elected to
>>>>> office? I don't know either but I'm guessing Senator Lieberman. When
>>>>> he was the VP candidate with Gore in 2000 did we hear the constant
>>>>> refrain of: "If Gore takes the Whitehouse, and he gets stomped by a
>>>>> big 'carbon footprint', Uncle Joe will outlaw BBQ pork sandwiches for
>>>>> life!" No, no one gave a shit. The current conversation is much to
>>>>> do about nothing. Let's get back to "what exactly did Obama ever do
>>>>> at any point in his life but complain about his or someone else's
>>>>> treatment?" Short of running for something, what has he accomplished?
>>>>> Something, anything!
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:26 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you really
>>>>>>
>>>>> plan
>>>>>
>>>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct religious
>>>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood) I would
>>>>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>>>> truly saddened. I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's inability
>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to forgive
>>>>>>
>>> them
>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden to
>>>>>>
>>>>> address.
>>>>>
>>>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp could
>>>>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>>> our
>>>>>
>>>>>> leader without notice. Then where would this country's founding
>>>>>>
>>> desire
>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>> religious freedom end up? The first example is already on the table
>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>> Catholic Joe has it right: When life starts is a religious opinion
>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>> should not be one decided by government. You may feel life does not
>>>>>>
>>>>> start
>>>>>
>>>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months before the
>>>>>>
>>>>> start,
>>>>>
>>>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.
>>>>>>
>>> Personally
>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>> don't think it starts until after college. If we allow a Palin to
>>>>>>
>>> call
>>>
>>>>> such
>>>>>
>>>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys
>>>>>>
>>> insisted
>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>> avoiding. McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his way the
>>>>>>
>>>>> first
>>>>>
>>>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the list of
>>>>>>
>>> her
>>>
>>>>>> kind. Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed god
>>>>>>
>>> onto
>>>
>>>>> our
>>>>>
>>>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
>>>>>>
>>>>> eventually,
>>>>>
>>>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably revert
>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>> many of his reasonable positions. It is Palin I am fearful will give
>>>>>>
>>> us
>>>
>>>>>> even worse than another 8 years. (And this from a confessed
>>>>>>
>>> womanizer.)
>>>
>>>>>> stan/ec
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are
>>>>>>
>>> going
>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook. And you're
>>>>>>>
>>> right,
>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied Darwin very much
>>>>>>>
>>>>> (and
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the only
>>>>>>>
>>>>> rebuke
>>>>>
>>>>>>> to creationism. Since most of the species of plant and animal life
>>>>>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life started.
>>>>>>>
>>> Are
>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all religions serve
>>>>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>>>>> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do we live
>>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those questions to my own
>>>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
>>>>>>>>
>>> Marxist
>>>
>>>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist?
>>>>>>>>
>>> :^D
>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven by many
>>>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I am far
>>>>>>>>
>>> from
>>>
>>>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only a
>>>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
>>>>>>>>
>>> scientific
>>>
>>>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the truth,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> surely
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You are/were an
>>>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all
>>>>>>>>
>>> were.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it
>>>>>>>>
>>> truth.
>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
>>>>>>>>
>>> stomach
>>>
>>>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
>>>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
>>>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is myth.
>>>>>>>>
>>> It
>>>
>>>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could further
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> explain
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and everything
>>>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that
>>>>>>>>
>>> first
>>>
>>>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze." I
>>>>>>>>
>>> like
>>>
>>>>> how
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
>>>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> supernatural
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
>>>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically
>>>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of
>>>>>>>>
>>> God.
>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to
>>>>>>>>
>>> believe
>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the
>>>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself realized
>>>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
>>>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
>>>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
>>>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
>>>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin,
>>>>>>>>
>>> "The
>>>
>>>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which
>>>>>>>>
>>> could
>>>
>>>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." (Charles
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> whether
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles Darwin, Life
>>>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists
>>>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
>>>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but
>>>>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> other
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it
>>>>>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>>> ok
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools teach
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> this
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the theory
>>>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to kill
>>>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing
>>>>>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see
>>>>>>>>
>>> this
>>>
>>>>> as
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> apes.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made to
>>>>>>>>
>>> feel
>>>
>>>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going
>>>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>
>>> beliefs."
>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin
>>>>>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
>>>>>>>>
>>> Lutheran
>>>
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific
>>>>>>>>
>>> community
>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> earth
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> did
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> should
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> world,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>
>>> separating
>>>
>>>>> her
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> separating
>>>
>>>>> her
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> breaker
>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> appointment
>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> has
>>>
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> touted as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> something
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> she
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> no
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> overseas.
>>>
>>>>> At
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> are
>>>
>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> issues
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> now
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> corruption
>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> re-defined a
>>>
>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> vs
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> etc
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> "executive
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Republicans
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> when
>>>
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> too
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> twisting
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> attack
>>>
>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> religious
>>>
>>>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> chinese
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> government
>>>
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> conservatism?
>>>
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> government
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> walked
>>>
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> no
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> do
>>>
>>>>>>>> with or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> but
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> join
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> posted
>>>
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> McCain
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> grounds.
>>>
>>>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> did
>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> support
>>>
>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> you
>>>
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> will
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> point
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> have
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> repeated
>>>
>>>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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