[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans

Tue Sep 9 15:42:20 EDT 2008

Slim,

Just an FYI, it's true that high school drop outs make less than grads
who make less than people with a BS who make less than people with a
Masters degree.  However, people with Masters degrees make more money
than people with PhDs.

Apparently it doesn't pay to be too smart.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Alm [mailto:stevenalm at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:18 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are going
to save us from the Republicans

Brad,

You took the bait hook, line and sinker.  You asked for something he
accomplished and Harvard Law is certainly one.  If education don't mean
shit
then why is there such a difference in wages of high school drop outs
vs.
grads vs. BS vs. masters vs. PhD, etc?

Slim

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Slim,
>
> You friggin-A-right that is elitist!  I've listened to that shit all
> my life and including you.  You've run your mouth off about how stupid
> Bush 43 is when in fact he made better grades than Kerry at Yale.
> Education doesn't mean shit!  I've met construction workers in "the
> pit" who were smarter than all four running for POTUS.  You are the
> elitist, Sir!
>
> Brad
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
wrote:
> > OK, Brad, for one thing he's Harvard Law.  That's nothing to sneeze
at.
> > Palin doesn't even have a Masters.  Or is that just elitist.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> >> Stan,
> >>
> >> In the jargon of fighter pilots, "this is a target rich
environment".
> >> So I pick you as the target among the many threads to begin the
fight.
> >>  Who is the most devoutly religious person currently elected to
> >> office? I don't know either but I'm guessing Senator Lieberman.
When
> >> he was the VP candidate with Gore in 2000 did we hear the constant
> >> refrain of: "If Gore takes the Whitehouse, and he gets stomped by a
> >> big 'carbon footprint', Uncle Joe will outlaw BBQ pork sandwiches
for
> >> life!"  No, no one gave a shit.  The current conversation is much
to
> >> do about nothing.  Let's get back to "what exactly did Obama ever
do
> >> at any point in his life but complain about his or someone else's
> >> treatment?"  Short of running for something, what has he
accomplished?
> >>  Something, anything!
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:26 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >> > Slim,
> >> >
> >> > As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you
really
> >> plan
> >> > to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct religious
> >> > instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood) I
would
> be
> >> > truly saddened.   I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's
inability
> to
> >> > live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to
forgive
> them
> >> -
> >> > I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden to
> >> address.
> >> > John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp
could
> be
> >> our
> >> > leader without notice.  Then where would this country's founding
> desire
> >> for
> >> > religious freedom end up?  The first example is already on the
table
> and
> >> > Catholic Joe has it right:  When life starts is a religious
opinion
> and
> >> > should not be one decided by government.   You may feel life does
not
> >> start
> >> > until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months before
the
> >> start,
> >> > the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.
>  Personally
> >> I
> >> > don't think it starts until after college.  If we allow a Palin
to
> call
> >> such
> >> > shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys
> insisted
> >> on
> >> > avoiding.   McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his way
the
> >> first
> >> > judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the list
of
> her
> >> > kind.   Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed
god
> onto
> >> our
> >> > coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
> >> eventually,
> >> > become strong advocates of the second amendment.
> >> >
> >> > John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably
revert
> to
> >> > many of his reasonable positions.  It is Palin I am fearful will
give
> us
> >> > even worse than another 8 years.  (And this from a confessed
> womanizer.)
> >> >
> >> > stan/ec
> >> >  .
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> >> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are
> going
> >> to
> >> > save us from the Republicans
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Todd,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook.  And you're
> right,
> >> I
> >> >> won't vote for a religious kook.  I haven't studied Darwin very
much
> >> (and
> >> >> I
> >> >> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the
only
> >> rebuke
> >> >> to creationism.  Since most of the species of plant and animal
life
> on
> >> >> this
> >> >> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
> >> >>
> >> >> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life
started.
>  Are
> >> you
> >> >> sure?  How do you know this?  What I know is that all religions
serve
> in
> >> >> answering three questions:  Where did we come from, how do we
live
> and
> >> >> what
> >> >> happens when we die?  Myself, I've answered those questions to
my own
> >> >> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
> >> >>
> >> >> Slim
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares
<sprocket80 at mail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Slim, Wow!  are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
> Marxist
> >> >>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious
extremist?
> :^D
> >> >>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating.  Carbon has been proven by
many
> >> >>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating.  I am
far
> from
> >> >>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is
only a
> >> >>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
> scientific
> >> >>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the
truth,
> >> surely
> >> >>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible.  You are/were
an
> >> >>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we
all
> were.
> >> >>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it
> truth.
> >> >>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
> stomach
> >> >>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is
what
> >> >>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as
many
> >> >>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is
myth.
> It
> >> >>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway.  He thought he could
further
> >> explain
> >> >>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and
everything
> >> >>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was
that
> first
> >> >>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze."
I
> like
> >> how
> >> >>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
> >> >>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
> >> supernatural
> >> >>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
> >> >>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was
scientifically
> >> >>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
leaves us
> >> with
> >> >>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act
of
> God.
> >> I
> >> >>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to
> believe
> >> in
> >> >>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
> >> scientifically
> >> >>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
> >> >>>
> >> >>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology
at the
> >> >>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself
realized
> >> >>> evolution was not workable.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances
for
> >> >>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting
different
> >> >>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and
chromatic
> >> >>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I
freely
> >> >>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles
Darwin,
> "The
> >> >>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed
which
> could
> >> >>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
> >> >>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
(Charles
> >> Darwin,
> >> >>> "The Origin of Species")
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked
myself
> >> whether
> >> >>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."  (Charles Darwin,
Life
> and
> >> >>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and
scientists
> to
> >> >>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do
my
> >> >>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings,
but
> that
> >> >>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or
some
> >> other
> >> >>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that
it
> is
> >> ok
> >> >>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools
teach
> >> this
> >> >>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the
theory
> of
> >> >>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to
kill
> a
> >> >>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone
believing
> in
> >> >>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me
see
> this
> >> as
> >> >>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Todd T
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected")
from
> >> apes.
> >> >>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made
to
> feel
> >> >>> inferior.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> From: "Steven Alm"
> >> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are
going
> to
> >> >>> save us from the Republicans
> >> >>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
> beliefs."
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers.
Palin
> is
> >> >>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
> Lutheran
> >> >>> but
> >> >>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific
> community
> >> and
> >> >>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens
and
> >> earth
> >> >>> are
> >> >>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an
extremist,
> >> did
> >> >>> you?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his
parishioners
> >> should
> >> >>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of
the
> >> world,
> >> >>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Slim
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
> separating
> >> her
> >> >>> > personal beliefs from her duties."
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
> >> beliefs.
> >> >>> >> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
> separating
> >> her
> >> >>> >> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that
would
> have
> >> >>> >> denied benefits to gay couples.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or
make up)
> >> >>> >> SOMETHING on her.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Steven Alm wrote:
> >> >>> >> > She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal
> breaker
> >> for
> >> >>> >> me.
> >> >>> >> > Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > The most important legacy the president leaves is the
> appointment
> >> of
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >> > supreme court.
> >> >>> >> > The next pres might appoint as many as three. If
Sarabaracuda
> has
> >> >>> her
> >> >>> >> way,
> >> >>> >> > say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat
hanger
> >> >>> >> abortions.
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > Slim
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered
as a
> >> >>> running
> >> >>> >> >> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now
being
> >> >>> touted as
> >> >>> >> >> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
> >> something
> >> >>> >> that
> >> >>> >> >> works.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact
that's
> she
> >> >>> >> >> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> petelargo wrote:
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed,
there is
> no
> >> >>> >> dialogue
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> with
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of
discussion
> and
> >> >>> your
> >> >>> >> an
> >> >>> >> >>> idiot to boot.
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
> overseas.
> >> At
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> RNC,
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know
it's a
> >> >>> failed
> >> >>> >> >>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again,
they
> are
> >> >>> trying
> >> >>> >> to
> >> >>> >> >>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than
an
> issues
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> discussion.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA",
McCain is
> >> now
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> change
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
> corruption
> >> in
> >> >>> >> >>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
> re-defined a
> >> >>> whole
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> new
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues
within
> the
> >> >>> last
> >> >>> >> eight
> >> >>> >> >>> years including his own authored bill that he was for
and now
> >> >>> against.
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of
Palin
> vs
> >> >>> >> Obama.
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> It's
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> a waste of time. The entire
Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
> etc
> >> >>> >> >>> administration could be argued to be the most
experienced
> >> >>> >> administration
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> in
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
> >> "executive
> >> >>> >> >>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
> >> Republicans
> >> >>> >> had
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> the
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate.
How was
> it
> >> >>> for
> >> >>> >> you?
> >> >>> >> >>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts,
but
> when
> >> >>> they
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> start
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really
gone
> >> too
> >> >>> far.
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead,
the
> >> twisting
> >> >>> >> >>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did
not
> attack
> >> >>> us,
> >> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >> >>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the
shredding
> of
> >> the
> >> >>> >> >>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
> religious
> >> >>> kook
> >> >>> >> to
> >> >>> >> >>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious
right
> to
> >> >>> >> 'bridge'
> >> >>> >> >>> them into this administration and get money.
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and
kissing
> >> chinese
> >> >>> ass
> >> >>> >> >>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
> government
> >> >>> on
> >> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >> >>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these
extremists
> >> >>> actually
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> think
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
> conservatism?
> >> >>> The
> >> >>> >> two
> >> >>> >> >>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
> >> government
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> intrusion
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that
> walked
> >> >>> that
> >> >>> >> talk
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> in
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion
dollar
> >> >>> surplus.
> >> >>> >> He
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> blew
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And
there is
> no
> >> >>> >> greater
> >> >>> >> >>> government intrusion that being told what you can or
cannot
> do
> >> >>> with or
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> put
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family
decisions,
> >> but
> >> >>> she
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >> wants
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
> thanks.
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >> >>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >>>> So....are we having fun yet?
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping
up to
> >> join
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >> >>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
> >> >>> >> >>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's
fire is
> >> >>> spread
> >> >>> >> out
> >> >>> >> >>>> among more than one target.
> >> >>> >> >>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe"
Stillwell,
> >> >>> >> "illegitimi
> >> >>> >> >>>> non carborundum".
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I
> posted
> >> >>> about
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >> Obama
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
> >> >>> >> >>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a
marxist, or
> a
> >> >>> farm
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >> animal.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>>> What did he expect when he said that?
> >> >>> >> >>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to
some
> of
> >> >>> his
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >> fellow
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or
> McCain
> >> >>> >> >>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate
policy
> and
> >> >>> don't
> >> >>> >> >>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could
be an
> >> >>> >> interesting
> >> >>> >> >>>> place.
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several
> grounds.
> >> >>> First,
> >> >>> >> he
> >> >>> >> >>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
> >> >>> >> >>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as
Tootle
> did
> >> is
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >> several
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
> >> >>> >> >>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people
> support
> >> >>> Obama
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >> were
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
> >> >>> >> >>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example,
Herb,
> you
> >> >>> are
> >> >>> >> >>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in
part for
> >> that
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >> reason.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and
so I
> will
> >> >>> >> support
> >> >>> >> >>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not
hyperbole to
> >> point
> >> >>> >> out
> >> >>> >> >>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I
know
> for
> >> >>> sure
> >> >>> >> is
> >> >>> >> >>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with
it. I
> >> have
> >> >>> >> thought
> >> >>> >> >>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and
am
> >> >>> completely
> >> >>> >> >>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
> repeated
> >> >>> mantra
> >> >>> >> I
> >> >>> >> >>>> know I have "done my homework".
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >>>> Cheers!
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >> >>>>
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