[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans

Michael D. Weisner mweisner at ebsmed.com
Tue Sep 9 16:39:47 EDT 2008 

Herb,

Thank you for finally realizing that your "facts" are opinions.  QED.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 
2008 4:10 PM
> Michael, I'm sorry, I did not realize that each sentence in this
> exchange required a statement of "this is my opionion".
> However, just for grins, if it's not human, exactly what is it?
>
>
>
> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> Herb,
>>
>> You state as fact:
>> "... the individual's religious belifs (sic) involve yet another
>> individual."
>>
>> You conclude:
>> "You are advocating that a woman be allowed to kill another living human
>> based on HER religious beliefs, not those of that living human."
>>
>> The "fact" is actually your opinion according to your religious beliefs 
>> that
>> this is another human being.  You then employ your religious beliefs to
>> close the argument in restating the premise "... of that living human."
>> There is no logic to the argument.  It is so only because you say it is 
>> so,
>> and that is according to your religious beliefs.  This is circular, at 
>> best.
>>
>> I know that you can do better ...
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
>> 2008 3:06 PM
>>
>>> Resent away Michael, but what did I "present as fact"?
>>>
>>> And, beliefs aside, my reasoning is not "circular". I believe very much
>>> in an individual's right to decide for themselves what they will and
>>> will not do. However, when that decision directly affects another,
>>> especially the life of another, than it is not the one individual's
>>> choice to make.
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> It always amazes me that you have no problem putting your beliefs and
>>>> opinions in the form of fact in your arguments.  The interesting thing 
>>>> is
>>>> that the more I agree with the basic principles of these discussions, 
>>>> the
>>>> more I resent your reasoning.  While we may reach the same conclusion,
>>>> the
>>>> paths are significantly diverse.
>>>>
>>>> My opinions and beliefs aside, I think that in order to state "I would
>>>> agree, except in this case, the individual's religious belifs (sic)
>>>> involve
>>>> yet another individual," one must employ circular reasoning, thus
>>>> defeating
>>>> the value of the statement.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Tuesday, September 
>>>> 09,
>>>> 2008 1:58 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I would agree, except in this case, the individual's religious belifs
>>>>> involve yet another individual. You are advocating that a woman be
>>>>> allowed to kill another living human based on HER religious beliefs, 
>>>>> not
>>>>> those of that living human.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, here you go my friend. War is a terrible analogy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IF we are going to have freedom OF religion, which would also include
>>>>>> freedom FROM religion and the abortion issue is mostly decided on a
>>>>>> religious (or non-religious, choice again) basis, it is not our place
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> expect anyone else to assume our religious beliefs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which leads us right back to; the gov't should have no voice in this 
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like your honest assessment on Palin, but I disagree about your
>>>>>>> labeling of the position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I say I'm not going to fight in a war, but it's OK if my 
>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>> attacks another, am I anti-war, or pro-war?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously, you'll not have an abortion, that would mean a male could
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> neither pro or anti; however, anyone that believes the issue does 
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> affect me is wearing blinders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed. Palin claims no more religiousity (is that a word, sounds
>>>>>>>> good)
>>>>>>>> than either of the other three candidates involved. She has also
>>>>>>>> shown
>>>>>>>> that she can govern without forcing forcing those beliefs on her
>>>>>>>> constituents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the abortion issue: Yep, she's against them, for her. So am I, 
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> me. I am pro-choice. People just can't seem to get a handle on the
>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>> that pro-choice doesn't mean anti or pro abortion. It means you
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> be able to make your own choice and let others make theirs, ie, 
>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>> your own business.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  From what I've seen Palin, as governor of Alaska has been doing 
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I had my way, the federal gov't wouldn't be involved in abortion
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What evidence do you have that would lead you to believe that 
>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>> would force her religious belief on anyone? My understanding is 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> she's all for allowing the individual states to set the standard.
>>>>>>>>> However, that's really beside the point. As you said, anyone's
>>>>>>>>> pinpoint
>>>>>>>>> of the exact time is a "religious" matter, or a matter of fath, 
>>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>>> ANYONE setting pinpointed time would be them foisting their 
>>>>>>>>> beliefs
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Surely you're not advocating allowing the parents to decide at any
>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> they choose, up to and including while the "fetus" is still in
>>>>>>>>> college?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> stan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you
>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct religious
>>>>>>>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood) I
>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>> truly saddened.   I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's
>>>>>>>>>> inability to
>>>>>>>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to
>>>>>>>>>> forgive
>>>>>>>>>> them -
>>>>>>>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden to
>>>>>>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> be our
>>>>>>>>>> leader without notice.  Then where would this country's founding
>>>>>>>>>> desire for
>>>>>>>>>> religious freedom end up?  The first example is already on the
>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> Catholic Joe has it right:  When life starts is a religious 
>>>>>>>>>> opinion
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> should not be one decided by government.   You may feel life does
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months before
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> start,
>>>>>>>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.
>>>>>>>>>> Personally I
>>>>>>>>>> don't think it starts until after college.  If we allow a Palin 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> call such
>>>>>>>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys
>>>>>>>>>> insisted on
>>>>>>>>>> avoiding.   McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his way
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the list
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>> kind.   Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed 
>>>>>>>>>> god
>>>>>>>>>> onto our
>>>>>>>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
>>>>>>>>>> eventually,
>>>>>>>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably
>>>>>>>>>> revert to
>>>>>>>>>> many of his reasonable positions.  It is Palin I am fearful will
>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>> even worse than another 8 years.  (And this from a confessed
>>>>>>>>>> womanizer.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> stan/ec
>>>>>>>>>>  .
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are
>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook.  And you're
>>>>>>>>>>> right, I
>>>>>>>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook.  I haven't studied Darwin very
>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the
>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>> rebuke
>>>>>>>>>>> to creationism.  Since most of the species of plant and animal
>>>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life 
>>>>>>>>>>> started.
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you
>>>>>>>>>>> sure?  How do you know this?  What I know is that all religions
>>>>>>>>>>> serve in
>>>>>>>>>>> answering three questions:  Where did we come from, how do we 
>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> happens when we die?  Myself, I've answered those questions to 
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares 
>>>>>>>>>>> <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim, Wow!  are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marxist
>>>>>>>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious
>>>>>>>>>>>> extremist?
>>>>>>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating.  Carbon has been proven by 
>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating.  I am 
>>>>>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is
>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientific
>>>>>>>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the
>>>>>>>>>>>> truth,
>>>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible.  You are/were
>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we 
>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> were.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it
>>>>>>>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
>>>>>>>>>>>> stomach
>>>>>>>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as 
>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is
>>>>>>>>>>>> myth. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway.  He thought he could 
>>>>>>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze." 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> like how
>>>>>>>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
>>>>>>>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> supernatural
>>>>>>>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
>>>>>>>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That 
>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves
>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> God. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology 
>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself
>>>>>>>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting
>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and
>>>>>>>>>>>> chromatic
>>>>>>>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> freely
>>>>>>>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The
>>>>>>>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed 
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>>>>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." 
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Charles
>>>>>>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked 
>>>>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."  (Charles Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Life
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do 
>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> is ok
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools
>>>>>>>>>>>> teach this
>>>>>>>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the
>>>>>>>>>>>> theory of
>>>>>>>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to
>>>>>>>>>>>> kill
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> believing
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me 
>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>> this as
>>>>>>>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected")
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> apes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are
>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin is
>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lutheran
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific
>>>>>>>>>>>> community and
>>>>>>>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an
>>>>>>>>>>>> extremist, did
>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his 
>>>>>>>>>>>> parishioners
>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> world,
>>>>>>>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appointment of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarabaracuda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> touted as
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overseas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "executive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shredding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservatism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> with or
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stillwell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tootle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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