[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans
Ben Cittadino
bcittadino at dcs-law.com
Wed Sep 10 15:24:26 EDT 2008
Elle;
Say it ain't so!
Et tu Brute!
I'm shocked, shocked I say! (gambling at Ricks)
The only voice of reason, moderation, civility?
Have you lost your mind?
I love it. (He said with his legs crossed). As Oprah would say, "You go
girl!"
Ben C. s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
Lady in Red wrote:
>
> Forced semen storage and then mass castration could end the abortion
> debate once and for all.
>
> elle
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going
>> to save us from the Republicans
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 12:05 PM
>> Herb,
>>
>> You raise an interesting legal point. Did you know that
>> the right to use
>> deadly force to defend one's property is different in
>> the different states?
>> In fact it changes in direct proportion to one's
>> movement from northeast to
>> southwest. In most northeastern states a person has a duty
>> to retreat and
>> not use deadly force to defend one's property, but as
>> one moves southwest a
>> person has more legal right to stand their ground and even
>> use deadly force
>> to defend their property. It's actually a fascinating
>> study of the whole
>> macho "code of the west" thing.
>>
>> I just can't do the abortion debate. Nobody ever
>> changes anybody's mind on
>> it. I think it just comes down to a society balancing very
>> impotant
>> competing interests. So far our society has decided that a
>> woman's privacy
>> right trumps the government's interest in protecting
>> the life (or potential
>> for life) of the not yet born up to the point of about
>> 2/3rds of the way
>> through the pregnancy. It's a judgment call. It seems
>> reasonable enough to
>> me.
>>
>> Ben, s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Psssst, Brad, don't tell anyone on here that already
>> knows differently,
>> but in spite of my personal religious beliefs, I believe
>> that the issue
>> should be left up to the states.
>>
>> Further, I think that local cities should be allowed to
>> further
>> restrict, within the confines of their state's charter
>> and constitution,
>> the matter. I believe that to be how we should operate on a
>> lot of
>> different issues.
>>
>> Did you know that in some states it's illegal to own a
>> handgun, but in
>> the GST (Great State of Texas), you not only can legally
>> own one, you
>> can shoot, and kill, someone who's stupid enough to try
>> to take what is
>> your property when you've got one of them handy.
>>
>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>> > Herb,
>> >
>> > The nut cuttin' of the conversation is how much
>> should the federal
>> > government be involved in personal decisions of
>> morality. I say, not
>> > much. That should be left up to the states and the
>> locals. I grew up
>> > in a dry township. Other people with other ideas
>> about that moved six
>> > miles away. Everything is a trade-off. Roe v Wade was
>> an unnecessary
>> > invasion of states rights. What certain groups
>> can't get legislated,
>> > they try and get decided from the bench. The issue
>> that started this
>> > thread was Gov. Palin's religious convictions.
>> The first bill she
>> > vetoed was one that would strip health care benefits
>> from the gay
>> > partners of Alaskan state employees. Her reasoning
>> and statements at
>> > the time of the veto was that is was unconstitutional.
>> What greater
>> > litmus test is there? The far lefts poster child yard
>> sign is molding
>> > and wilting in the sunshine. We'll have this
>> argument another day
>> > under another banner and with a different cheerleader.
>> This one
>> > turned out to be an empty suit on too many other
>> issues.
>> >
>> > Brad
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Herb Parsons
>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is nothing wrong with society determining
>> the "moral boundries"
>> >> they wish to maintain. There is also nothing wrong
>> with those moral
>> >> boundries being subject to change as said society
>> changes. In spite of
>> >> my religious beliefs, I do not now want a
>> theocracy, no have I ever.
>> >>
>> >> However, the notion that 5 men can forever dictate
>> to a nation of
>> >> millions what their moral boundry should be is
>> tyranny. I do not want
>> >> the feds pushing any agenda one way or the other,
>> and that includes the
>> >> federal judicial branch. I want the citizenry to
>> make that choice.
>> >>
>> >> I know, I know, it kinda blows your "Herb
>> wants his religion for
>> >> everyone" nonsense, huh Michael?
>> >>
>> >> BTW, all of the above reflects my personal
>> opinion. None of it intended
>> >> to be perceived by an reader or observer as any
>> type of fact, implied or
>> >> otherwise. They are worth at least as much as the
>> durability of the
>> >> media in which they are made, and their only
>> asserted value is that. All
>> >> readers and/or observers are free, and even
>> welcome, to ascribe to said
>> >> beliefs, or simply write them off as so much
>> bullshit.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, and Michael, you flatter yourself. I
>> didn't just recently "realize"
>> >> all of that. I DID make the absurd assumption that
>> you recognized
>> >> opinion when you saw it. Silly me.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Todd,
>> >>>
>> >>> I certainly never wanted to remove God from my
>> life. I, like Ben C.,
>> >>> have
>> >>> no problem with the coexistence of God and
>> science. I cannot understand
>> >>> why
>> >>> every group in this country (religious or
>> non-religious) feels that the
>> >>> separation of church and state means that we
>> need to remove all traces
>> >>> of
>> >>> religion and culture from public places.
>> Since we can't offend anyone
>> >>> by
>> >>> celebrating our religious rituals, we must
>> remove all religion from
>> >>> schools,
>> >>> government and the public. I think that if we
>> remove all holidays,
>> >>> ethnic
>> >>> traditions, religious symbols, etc. the world
>> will be a pretty ugly
>> >>> place.
>> >>>
>> >>> I do, however, feel that religious beliefs
>> are very personal and no one
>> >>> has
>> >>> the right to impose them on others. I think
>> that this is what was meant
>> >>> by
>> >>> the separation of church and state, to
>> eliminate religious persecution.
>> >>> How
>> >>> is one to deal with the concept put forth by
>> some faiths that place the
>> >>> responsibility for misdeeds by one on all of
>> society? What is the basis
>> >>> for
>> >>> the following statement from Todd: "Each
>> draws his line of good
>> >>> conscience
>> >>> to justify acts past, present, or future in
>> his or her own life (or
>> >>> afterlife) - not to protect the legal
>> reproductive rights of every
>> >>> random
>> >>> Jane Doe." What, exactly, does it mean?
>> >>>
>> >>> Mike
>> >>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "Todd Tavares"
>> <sprocket80 at mail.com>Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
>> >>> 2008
>> >>> 4:43 PM
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Michael, It is just another example of
>> taking God OR religion out of
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> equation to ease our conscience. Excluding
>> cases of rape, incest, etc.,
>> >>>> the parents of the developing fetus;
>> whether you consider it alive or
>> >>>> not, had a choice and responsibility they
>> chose not to exercise. Is
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> knowledge and ability to perform surgical
>> abortion the only thing that
>> >>>> separates us from our animal urges and the
>> apes we evolved from?
>> >>>> Religious, Christian, Atheist, or Pagan;
>> view videos and pictures of a
>> >>>> "partial birth abortion"-- which
>> the legal rights of the mother to
>> >>>> choose, Clinton initially fought to try to
>> preserve and even a
>> >>>> civilized
>> >>>> atheist would exclaim OH MY F'ing GOD
>> and start thinking
>> >>>> differently...even if they'd never
>> admit it openly and risk
>> >>>> contradicting
>> >>>> their publicly espoused views. Each
>> draws his line of good conscience
>> >>>> to justify acts past, present, or future
>> in his or her own life (or
>> >>>> afterlife) - not to protect the legal
>> reproductive rights of every
>> >>>> random
>> >>>> Jane Doe. Let's look in the mirror
>> and stop lying to ourselves and
>> >>>> each
>> >>>> other here. (not a fact....just a thought)
>> Todd T
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Michael D. Weisner"
>> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise
>> Jesus, the "evolutionists" are
>> >>>> going to save us from the Republicans
>> >>>> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:54:12 -0400
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Herb,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You state as fact:
>> >>>> "... the individual's religious
>> belifs (sic) involve yet another
>> >>>> individual."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You conclude:
>> >>>> "You are advocating that a woman be
>> allowed to kill another living
>> >>>> human
>> >>>> based on HER religious beliefs, not those
>> of that living human."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The "fact" is actually your
>> opinion according to your religious
>> >>>> beliefs that
>> >>>> this is another human being. You then
>> employ your religious beliefs
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> close the argument in restating the
>> premise "... of that living
>> >>>> human."
>> >>>> There is no logic to the argument. It is
>> so only because you say it
>> >>>> is so,
>> >>>> and that is according to your religious
>> beliefs. This is circular, at
>> >>>> best.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I know that you can do better ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mike
>> >>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: "Herb Parsons" Sent:
>> Tuesday, September 09,
>> >>>> 2008 3:06 PM
>> >>>> > Resent away Michael, but what did I
>> "present as fact"?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > And, beliefs aside, my reasoning is
>> not "circular". I believe very
>> >>>> much
>> >>>> > in an individual's right to
>> decide for themselves what they will
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> > will not do. However, when that
>> decision directly affects another,
>> >>>> > especially the life of another, than
>> it is not the one individual's
>> >>>> > choice to make.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> >>>> >> Herb,
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> It always amazes me that you
>> have no problem putting your beliefs
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> >> opinions in the form of fact in
>> your arguments. The interesting
>> >>>> thing is
>> >>>> >> that the more I agree with the
>> basic principles of these
>> >>>> discussions, the
>> >>>> >> more I resent your reasoning.
>> While we may reach the same
>> >>>> conclusion, the
>> >>>> >> paths are significantly diverse.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> My opinions and beliefs aside, I
>> think that in order to state "I
>> >>>> would
>> >>>> >> agree, except in this case, the
>> individual's religious belifs
>> >>>> (sic) involve
>> >>>> >> yet another individual,"
>> one must employ circular reasoning, thus
>> >>>> defeating
>> >>>> >> the value of the statement.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Mike
>> >>>> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer
>> ('81)
>> >>>> >> Nissequogue River, NY
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> From: "Herb Parsons"
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
>> >>>> >> 2008 1:58 PM
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>> I would agree, except in
>> this case, the individual's religious
>> >>>> belifs
>> >>>> >>> involve yet another
>> individual. You are advocating that a woman
>> >>>> be
>> >>>> >>> allowed to kill another
>> living human based on HER religious
>> >>>> beliefs, not
>> >>>> >>> those of that living human.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> Herb,
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Well, here you go my
>> friend. War is a terrible analogy.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> IF we are going to have
>> freedom OF religion, which would also
>> >>>> include
>> >>>> >>>> freedom FROM religion
>> and the abortion issue is mostly decided
>> >>>> on a
>> >>>> >>>> religious (or
>> non-religious, choice again) basis, it is not our
>> >>>> place to
>> >>>> >>>> expect anyone else to
>> assume our religious beliefs.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Which leads us right
>> back to; the gov't should have no voice in
>> >>>> this at
>> >>>> >>>> all.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Rik
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet -
>> - it isn't my fault
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> I like your honest
>> assessment on Palin, but I disagree about
>> >>>> your
>> >>>> >>>>> labeling of the
>> position.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> If I say I'm not
>> going to fight in a war, but it's OK if my
>> >>>> government
>> >>>> >>>>> attacks another, am
>> I anti-war, or pro-war?
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> Obviously,
>> you'll not have an abortion, that would mean a male
>> >>>> could be
>> >>>> >>>>> neither pro or anti;
>> however, anyone that believes the issue
>> >>>> does not
>> >>>> >>>>> affect me is wearing
>> blinders.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> Herb,
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> Agreed. Palin
>> claims no more religiousity (is that a word,
>> >>>> sounds good)
>> >>>> >>>>>> than either of
>> the other three candidates involved. She has
>> >>>> also shown
>> >>>> >>>>>> that she can
>> govern without forcing forcing those beliefs on
>> >>>> her
>> >>>> >>>>>> constituents.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> On the abortion
>> issue: Yep, she's against them, for her. So am
>> >>>> I, for
>> >>>> >>>>>> me. I am
>> pro-choice. People just can't seem to get a handle on
>> >>>> the idea
>> >>>> >>>>>> that pro-choice
>> doesn't mean anti or pro abortion. It means
>> >>>> you should
>> >>>> >>>>>> be able to make
>> your own choice and let others make theirs,
>> >>>> ie, mind
>> >>>> >>>>>> your own
>> business.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> From what
>> I've seen Palin, as governor of Alaska has been
>> >>>> doing this
>> >>>> >>>>>> too.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> If I had my way,
>> the federal gov't wouldn't be involved in
>> >>>> abortion at
>> >>>> >>>>>> all.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> Rik
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> Ayn Rand was a
>> prophet - - it isn't my fault
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> Herb Parsons
>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Stan,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> What
>> evidence do you have that would lead you to believe that
>> >>>> Palin
>> >>>> >>>>>>> would force
>> her religious belief on anyone? My understanding
>> >>>> is that
>> >>>> >>>>>>> she's
>> all for allowing the individual states to set the
>> >>>> standard.
>> >>>> >>>>>>> However,
>> that's really beside the point. As you said,
>> >>>> anyone's
>> >>>> >>>>>>> pinpoint
>> >>>> >>>>>>> of the exact
>> time is a "religious" matter, or a matter of
>> >>>> fath, thus
>> >>>> >>>>>>> ANYONE
>> setting pinpointed time would be them foisting their
>> >>>> beliefs on
>> >>>> >>>>>>> others.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Surely
>> you're not advocating allowing the parents to decide
>> >>>> at any
>> >>>> >>>>>>> time
>> >>>> >>>>>>> they choose,
>> up to and including while the "fetus" is still
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> >>>>>>> college?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> stan wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Slim,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> As a
>> member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if
>> >>>> you really
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> plan
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> to skip
>> voting (in effect voting for those whose direct
>> >>>> religious
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and
>> >>>> blood) I
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> would be
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> truly
>> saddened. I don't think poorly of John's and
>> Palin's
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> inability to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> live up
>> to their own family values, relying on their gods to
>> >>>> forgive
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> them -
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> I worry
>> about their health; a topic that seems to be
>> >>>> forbidden to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> address.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and
>> his
>> >>>> vp could
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> be our
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> leader
>> without notice. Then where would this country's
>> >>>> founding
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> desire
>> for
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> religious freedom end up? The first example is already on
>> >>>> the table
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Catholic
>> Joe has it right: When life starts is a religious
>> >>>> opinion
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> should
>> not be one decided by government. You may feel life
>> >>>> does not
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> start
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> until a
>> breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months
>> >>>> before the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> start,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> the
>> Christens count from the moment the cells begin
>> >>>> dividing.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> Personally I
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> don't think it starts until after college. If we allow a
>> >>>> Palin to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> call
>> such
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> shots we
>> are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart
>> >>>> guys
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> insisted
>> on
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> avoiding. McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his
>> >>>> way the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> first
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> judge he
>> would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the
>> >>>> list of
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> her
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> kind.
>> Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed
>> >>>> god
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> onto our
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> coins),
>> god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will
>> >>>> all,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> eventually,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> become
>> strong advocates of the second amendment.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> John, at
>> least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would
>> >>>> probably
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> revert
>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> many of
>> his reasonable positions. It is Palin I am fearful
>> >>>> will give
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> us
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> even
>> worse than another 8 years. (And this from a confessed
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> womanizer.)
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> stan/ec
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> .
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> -----
>> Original Message ----- From: "Steven Alm"
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> To:
>> "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Sent:
>> Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Subject:
>> Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the
>> >>>> "evolutionists" are
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> going to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> save us
>> from the Republicans
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> Todd,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook.
>> And
>> >>>> you're
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> right, I
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied
>> Darwin
>> >>>> very much
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> (and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think
>> that's
>> >>>> the only
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> rebuke
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> to
>> creationism. Since most of the species of plant and
>> >>>> animal life
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> on
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> this
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that
>> "unintelligent
>> >>>> design."
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> You
>> said there are only two possibilities as to how life
>> >>>> started.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Are
>> you
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all
>> >>>> religions
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> serve in
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do
>> >>>> we live
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> what
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those
>> questions
>> >>>> to my
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> own
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me
>> >>>> anything.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Slim
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On
>> Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he
>> >>>> is a
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Marxist
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious
>> >>>> extremist?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> :^D
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven
>> >>>> by many
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I
>> >>>> am far
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> from
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth
>> >>>> is only
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> a
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> scientific
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> information out there to; while not proving creation is
>> >>>> the truth,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> surely
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You
>> >>>> are/were an
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like
>> >>>> we all
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> were.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Just because you read something in a text book does not
>> >>>> make it
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> truth.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could
>> >>>> all
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> stomach
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that
>> >>>> is what
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally
>> >>>> as many
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> scientists out there who believe they have proven
>> >>>> evolution is
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> myth. It
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could
>> >>>> further
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> explain
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> everything
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it
>> >>>> was that
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> first
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial
>> >>>> ooze." I
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> like how
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose;
>> >>>> one is
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> supernatural
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility.
>> >>>> Spontaneous
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> scientifically
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
>> >>>> leaves us
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> with
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a
>> >>>> creative act of
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> God. I
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> believe in
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> scientifically
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to
>> evolution."
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of
>> >>>> Biology at
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself
>> >>>> realized
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> evolution was not workable.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable
>> >>>> contrivances for
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting
>> >>>> different
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and
>> >>>> chromatic
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems,
>> >>>> I freely
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible."
>> (Charles
>> >>>> Darwin,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> "The
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ
>> >>>> existed which
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> could
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive,
>> >>>> slight
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
>> >>>> (Charles
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Darwin,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> "The Origin of Species")
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have
>> asked
>> >>>> myself
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> whether
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles
>> >>>> Darwin, Life
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and
>> >>>> scientists
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right.
>> I could
>> >>>> "do my
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual
>> >>>> findings, but
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> that
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of
>> >>>> God or some
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> other
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions
>> >>>> that it
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> is ok
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the
>> >>>> schools
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> teach this
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> theory of
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a
>> >>>> crime to kill
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> a
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone
>> >>>> believing
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> in
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made
>> >>>> me see
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> this as
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Todd T
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were
>> >>>> "selected") from
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> apes.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to
>> be
>> >>>> made to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> feel
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> inferior.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> From: "Steven Alm"
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> going to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> save us from the Republicans
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus
>> test for
>> >>>> religious
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> beliefs."
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical
>> >>>> thinkers.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Palin is
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a
>> Catholic
>> >>>> or a
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Lutheran
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> but
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole
>> >>>> scientific
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> community and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the
>> >>>> heavens and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> earth
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> are
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME
>> an
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> extremist, did
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> you?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his
>> >>>> parishioners
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> should
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end
>> >>>> of the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> world,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Slim
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> "She's
>> already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> personal
>> beliefs from her duties."
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it
>> be better if she didn't have to?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8,
>> 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the
>> "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for
>> >>>> religious
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> She's
>> already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> separating
>> her
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> personal
>> beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that
>> >>>> would
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> denied
>> benefits to gay couples.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But, you
>> extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or
>> >>>> make up)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING
>> on her.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Alm
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a
>> >>>> deal breaker
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>> most important legacy the president leaves is the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> appointment of
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> supreme
>> court.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>> next pres might appoint as many as three. If
>> >>>> Sarabaracuda
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> her
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> say
>> goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat
>> >>>> hanger
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> abortions.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun,
>> Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> think it's funny that the candidate that was
>> >>>> considered as a
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> running
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is
>> >>>> now being
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> touted as
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys
>> may
>> >>>> find
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> something
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> works.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that
>> fact
>> >>>> that's
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> petelargo wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed,
>> >>>> there is
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> no
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> with
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of
>> >>>> discussion
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> and
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> your
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> an
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> idiot to boot.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
>> >>>> overseas.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> At
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> RNC,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They
>> >>>> know it's a
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> failed
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again,
>> >>>> they are
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> trying
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather
>> >>>> than an
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> issues
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> discussion.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and
>> WHA-LAA",
>> >>>> McCain is
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> now
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> change
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> corruption in
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
>> >>>> re-defined
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> a
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> whole
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues
>> >>>> within the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> last
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> eight
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> years including his own authored bill that he was for
>> >>>> and now
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> against.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument
>> >>>> of Palin
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> vs
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> It's
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> a waste of time. The entire
>> >>>> Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> etc
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> administration could be argued to be the most
>> >>>> experienced
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> administration
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of
>> >>>> prior
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> "executive
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> experience". For the first time in recent politics
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Republicans
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> had
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate.
>> >>>> How was
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> it
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> for
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our
>> >>>> butts, but
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> when
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> they
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> start
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's
>> >>>> really gone
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> too
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> far.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead,
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> twisting
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that
>> did
>> >>>> not
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> attack
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> us,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the
>> >>>> shredding of
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have
>> >>>> another
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> religious
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> kook
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist
>> >>>> religious right
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> to
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> 'bridge'
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> them into this administration and get money.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and
>> >>>> kissing
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> chinese
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> ass
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> government
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> on
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these
>> >>>> extremists
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> actually
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> think
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> conservatism?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> The
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> two
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government
>> >>>> and
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> government
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> intrusion
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration
>> >>>> that walked
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> that
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion
>> >>>> dollar
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> surplus.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> blew
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And
>> >>>> there is
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> no
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> greater
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> government intrusion that being told what you can or
>> >>>> cannot do
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> with or
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family
>> >>>> decisions,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> but
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> she
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> wants
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours.
>> >>>> No
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> thanks.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> So....are we having fun yet?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for
>> >>>> stepping up to
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> join
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's
>> >>>> fire is
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> spread
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> out
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> among more than one target.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe"
>> >>>> Stillwell,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> "illegitimi
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> non carborundum".
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up.
>> >>>> I posted
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> about
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Obama
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a
>> >>>> marxist, or a
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> farm
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> animal.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> What did he expect when he said that?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer
>> >>>> to some
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> of
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> his
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> fellow
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting
>> Obama
>> >>>> or McCain
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate
>> >>>> policy
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> and
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> don't
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's
>> bar"
>> >>>> could be an
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> place.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on
>> several
>> >>>> grounds.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> First,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> he
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist"
>> as
>> >>>> Tootle
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> did is
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> several
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some
>> >>>> people
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> support
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> Obama
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> were
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> not an argument supporting any position. For
>> >>>> example, Herb,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> you
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> are
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in
>> >>>> part for
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> that
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> reason.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research
>> >>>> and so I
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> will
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> support
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not
>> >>>> hyperbole to
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> point
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> out
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What
>> >>>> I know
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> for
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> sure
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do
>> >>>> with it. I
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> have
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned
>> >>>> and am
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> completely
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
>> >>>> repeated
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> mantra
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> know I have "done my homework".
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Cheers!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the
>> >>>> mailing
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> list
>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> go
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
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>> __________________________________________________
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To
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>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> list go
>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
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