[Rhodes22-list] Brad, now my turn:
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Stan,
In case your eyeglasses are a little foggy this morning, she has cute perky
breasts.
Rummy
In a message dated 9/11/2008 9:01:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
stan at rhodes22.com writes:
Brad,
now my turn: tell me how she differs from George.
something? - anything?
ss
----- Original Message -----
From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to
save us from the Republicans
> something? - anything?
>
> He won his BW.
>
> ss
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going
> to save us from the Republicans
>
>
>> Brad my friend, you're missing the obvious. As Slim so masterfully , the
>> "I won't vote for a religious kook" (or actually, insert any label you
>> choose there) REALLY means they're looking for an excuse not to vote for
>> the person, and the "label" doesn't apply if the "labled" is from the
>> left.
>>
>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>> Stan,
>>>
>>> In the jargon of fighter pilots, "this is a target rich environment".
>>> So I pick you as the target among the many threads to begin the fight.
>>> Who is the most devoutly religious person currently elected to
>>> office? I don't know either but I'm guessing Senator Lieberman. When
>>> he was the VP candidate with Gore in 2000 did we hear the constant
>>> refrain of: "If Gore takes the Whitehouse, and he gets stomped by a
>>> big 'carbon footprint', Uncle Joe will outlaw BBQ pork sandwiches for
>>> life!" No, no one gave a shit. The current conversation is much to
>>> do about nothing. Let's get back to "what exactly did Obama ever do
>>> at any point in his life but complain about his or someone else's
>>> treatment?" Short of running for something, what has he accomplished?
>>> Something, anything!
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:26 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Slim,
>>>>
>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you really
>>>> plan
>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct religious
>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood) I would
>>>> be
>>>> truly saddened. I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's inability
>>>> to
>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to forgive
>>>> them -
>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden to
>>>> address.
>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp could
>>>> be our
>>>> leader without notice. Then where would this country's founding desire
>>>> for
>>>> religious freedom end up? The first example is already on the table
>>>> and
>>>> Catholic Joe has it right: When life starts is a religious opinion and
>>>> should not be one decided by government. You may feel life does not
>>>> start
>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months before the
>>>> start,
>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.
>>>> Personally I
>>>> don't think it starts until after college. If we allow a Palin to call
>>>> such
>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys
>>>> insisted on
>>>> avoiding. McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his way the
>>>> first
>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the list of
>>>> her
>>>> kind. Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed god onto
>>>> our
>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
>>>> eventually,
>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>
>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably revert
>>>> to
>>>> many of his reasonable positions. It is Palin I am fearful will give
>>>> us
>>>> even worse than another 8 years. (And this from a confessed
>>>> womanizer.)
>>>>
>>>> stan/ec
>>>> .
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are going
>>>> to
>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook. And you're
>>>>> right, I
>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied Darwin very much
>>>>> (and
>>>>> I
>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the only
>>>>> rebuke
>>>>> to creationism. Since most of the species of plant and animal life on
>>>>> this
>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
>>>>>
>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life started. Are
>>>>> you
>>>>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all religions serve
>>>>> in
>>>>> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do we live and
>>>>> what
>>>>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those questions to my own
>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
>>>>>> Marxist
>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist?
>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven by many
>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I am far from
>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only a
>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much scientific
>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the truth,
>>>>>> surely
>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You are/were an
>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all
>>>>>> were.
>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it
>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
>>>>>> stomach
>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is myth.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could further
>>>>>> explain
>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and everything
>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze." I like
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>> supernatural
>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically
>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of
>>>>>> God. I
>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the
>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself realized
>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin,
>>>>>> "The
>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." (Charles
>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles Darwin, Life
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it is
>>>>>> ok
>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools teach
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the theory
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to kill a
>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing in
>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see
>>>>>> this as
>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from
>>>>>> apes.
>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made to
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>> beliefs."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
>>>>>> Lutheran
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and
>>>>>> earth
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist,
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the
>>>>>> world,
>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would have
>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the appointment
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda has
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> her
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> running
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> touted as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's she
>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas.
>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an issues
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is
>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible corruption
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> last
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin vs
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>> "executive
>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but when
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone
>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
>>>>>>>>>>> twisting
>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not attack
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another religious
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing
>>>>>>>>>>> chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive government
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of conservatism?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that walked
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> with or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> she
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to
>>>>>>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> his
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft' repeated
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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