[Rhodes22-list] Brad, now my turn:
Brad Haslett
flybrad at gmail.com
Fri Sep 12 06:48:14 EDT 2008
Ben,
The fact that Sarah Palin hasn't lusted for power all her life and has
not been running for POTUS since the 5th grade is rather refreshing to
many, including myself. She obviously has a natural talent for
governing and I think Washington, DC could use some of the same
medicine she has administered to Alaska.
Every politician and every person everywhere is for "free" things from
the federal government. In Palin's case, once she became Governor and
realized the true price associated with "The Bridge" she killed it and
initiated a policy of weaning Alaska off of earmarks but for projects
that were of value to the nation as a whole (which as supplier of 20%
of our oil, Alaska has many). Is that as principled as McCain's zero
earmarks? No, but it's a step in the right direction.
Her voice? She sounds like my sister so I wouldn't go there, but hey,
if it carries the Upper Midwest, I say it works!
How do you know what her circumstances were in college and why do you
care? What difference does it make? I work for a company that is in
the Fortune 100 and is consistently ranked as the best in its
industry. If you look through the ranks of our upper management you'll
see lots of University of Memphis, Mississippi, Arkansas but very
little Harvard or Yale. We hire smart people who know how to get
things done and not snobs with a sense of entitlement. Will the
American people care where she went to school and how long it took?A
few elitist a-wholes may but most don't.
Book burner? That's a lie, give it a rest. Vindictive? When the
whole "Troopergate" issue is over, most people will think, "hell yes,
that jerk deserved to be fired" (he wasn't).
I'm assuming your MORON statement was made just to goad me. If you
think that someone who can take on three big oil companies and win is
a moron, the joke is on you.
McCain was never my favorite but my plan was to hold my nose and vote
for him, now I'm excited because, yes, I'd love to see Palin as POTUS.
BTW, if you watch the ABC interview or read the reviews, she did NOT
say that the Iraq war was a plan from God. You can watch her address
to her former church here-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9tJX-e24iQ
At roughly 3:30 she says we should pray that "we're doing God's will".
That's pretty boilerplate stuff in churches across the country, "not
my will but thine be done" and while it may not make sense to Coastal
elitists, it will resonate with millions of folks in "Middle America"
as humility. I thought she did OK in the ABC News interview given
that Charlie Gibson was clearly trying to set multiple traps and was
pretty condescending throughout the interview. That's why she'd make
a good POTUS and not me, I'd have taken his head off once the cameras
disappeared.
Brad
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com> wrote:
>
> Brad;
>
> Seriously now, open your mind and imagine if you will a year ago.....News
> flash....Alaska Governor Sarah Palin announces she will seek the Republican
> Presidential nomination.....How long would she have lasted in the
> primaries?.....She was for the bridge before she was against it (and it was
> a bad idea at ANY price)....she has a Frances McDormand caricature of a
> "Fargo" annoying voice....She took 5 or 6 years at 4 or 5 schools to get
> through college (without extenuating circumstances)....She's a "book
> burner"....she's a vindictive person who I'm quite certain tried to hurt her
> brother-in-law as has been widely reported....and I think we all agree she
> is demonstrably a MORON.....nobody really wants her to be President of the
> USA....the most anybody can say is that her selection as VP on the McCain
> ticket is a savy political ploy to put HIM in the White House, but, my God
> man, don't pretend you like the idea of her as President....please tell me
> the truth and and least admit that much. It's OK, ....you'll feel better
> once you admit it.
>
> Best as always, Ben C.
>
> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>
>> Stan,
>>
>> For one thing, she knows how to use an ink pen. Palin cut 10% of
>> Alaska's budget and vetoed additional spending bills. My single
>> biggest criticism of W is that he went along with every spending bill
>> that hit his desk. Revenue is only one half of the equation, it is the
>> spending that is out of control. Anyone who thinks the federal
>> government is an efficient tool for distributing your own money hasn't
>> spent enough time around federal projects. Palin understands that
>> energy policy is closely related to national security. Her solution
>> of drill here, drill now to buy time until alternatives are found
>> makes a lot more sense than W going to the Saudi's and begging for
>> more oil. That was pathetic!
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:01 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Brad,
>>>
>>> now my turn: tell me how she differs from George.
>>>
>>> something? - anything?
>>>
>>> ss
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going
>>> to
>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>
>>>
>>>> something? - anything?
>>>>
>>>> He won his BW.
>>>>
>>>> ss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going
>>>> to save us from the Republicans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brad my friend, you're missing the obvious. As Slim so masterfully ,
>>>>> the
>>>>> "I won't vote for a religious kook" (or actually, insert any label you
>>>>> choose there) REALLY means they're looking for an excuse not to vote
>>>>> for
>>>>> the person, and the "label" doesn't apply if the "labled" is from the
>>>>> left.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the jargon of fighter pilots, "this is a target rich environment".
>>>>>> So I pick you as the target among the many threads to begin the fight.
>>>>>> Who is the most devoutly religious person currently elected to
>>>>>> office? I don't know either but I'm guessing Senator Lieberman. When
>>>>>> he was the VP candidate with Gore in 2000 did we hear the constant
>>>>>> refrain of: "If Gore takes the Whitehouse, and he gets stomped by a
>>>>>> big 'carbon footprint', Uncle Joe will outlaw BBQ pork sandwiches for
>>>>>> life!" No, no one gave a shit. The current conversation is much to
>>>>>> do about nothing. Let's get back to "what exactly did Obama ever do
>>>>>> at any point in his life but complain about his or someone else's
>>>>>> treatment?" Short of running for something, what has he accomplished?
>>>>>> Something, anything!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:26 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you really
>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct religious
>>>>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood) I
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> truly saddened. I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's
>>>>>>> inability
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to forgive
>>>>>>> them -
>>>>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden to
>>>>>>> address.
>>>>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp could
>>>>>>> be our
>>>>>>> leader without notice. Then where would this country's founding
>>>>>>> desire
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> religious freedom end up? The first example is already on the table
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Catholic Joe has it right: When life starts is a religious opinion
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> should not be one decided by government. You may feel life does not
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months before the
>>>>>>> start,
>>>>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.
>>>>>>> Personally I
>>>>>>> don't think it starts until after college. If we allow a Palin to
>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys
>>>>>>> insisted on
>>>>>>> avoiding. McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his way the
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the list of
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> kind. Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed god
>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
>>>>>>> eventually,
>>>>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably
>>>>>>> revert
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> many of his reasonable positions. It is Palin I am fearful will give
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>> even worse than another 8 years. (And this from a confessed
>>>>>>> womanizer.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> stan/ec
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook. And you're
>>>>>>>> right, I
>>>>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied Darwin very much
>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the only
>>>>>>>> rebuke
>>>>>>>> to creationism. Since most of the species of plant and animal life
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life started.
>>>>>>>> Are
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all religions
>>>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do we live
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those questions to my
>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
>>>>>>>>> Marxist
>>>>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist?
>>>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven by many
>>>>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I am far
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
>>>>>>>>> scientific
>>>>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the truth,
>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You are/were an
>>>>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all
>>>>>>>>> were.
>>>>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it
>>>>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
>>>>>>>>> stomach
>>>>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
>>>>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
>>>>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is
>>>>>>>>> myth.
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could further
>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and
>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze." I
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
>>>>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>>>> supernatural
>>>>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
>>>>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was
>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of
>>>>>>>>> God. I
>>>>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to
>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself realized
>>>>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
>>>>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
>>>>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
>>>>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
>>>>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin,
>>>>>>>>> "The
>>>>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." (Charles
>>>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles Darwin, Life
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
>>>>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools
>>>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the
>>>>>>>>> theory
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to kill
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see
>>>>>>>>> this as
>>>>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from
>>>>>>>>> apes.
>>>>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made to
>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>> beliefs."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers.
>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
>>>>>>>>> Lutheran
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific
>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and
>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an
>>>>>>>>> extremist,
>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners
>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the
>>>>>>>>> world,
>>>>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>> separating
>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>> separating
>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>>>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the
>>>>>>>>>>>> appointment
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> touted as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "executive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservatism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that walked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft' repeated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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