[Rhodes22-list] anchoring: Pete & Ed
elle
watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Mon Sep 15 11:16:04 EDT 2008
Ed,
those are Rocna or Manson (cheaper) anchors.....Rocna 22# (for boats 23'-36') is only @ $400...;^)...the equivalent 25# CQR for boats 16'-32' is $559....
The 22# Delta for boats 25'-41' is @ $175....
HI, Pete,
Thanks for the thorough, as usual, reply.
At our local "got-one-of -everything- somewhere-" marine guy I have located a 25 # CQR for $225...and a slightly smaller Delta (he thinks @ 22 lb) for $50....Acc'd to the West catalog, either would work in this type of bottom....I see I did not mention earlier that there is wonderful mud under the leaves on the creek.....
My neighbor on the dock w/ the 37' Gulfstar uses the Bahamian technique...with the one center cleat on my Rhodes there is still the problem of the furling mechanism....
Is the bow eye backed sufficiently to allow it to be used as the attachment point?? Then the boat could ride into the wind....If it is not 'bow-to-wind' (cleated around the bow pulpit w/chafe protection) I think the strain on the anchor could be greater than anticipated. (Understanding I will use @15' of chain also)..
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> From: Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 9:08 AM
> elle,
>
> Broad Creek in New Bern, where Blackbeard is located, is
> the best hurricane
> hole for miles around. When a surge is expected and boats
> must leave their
> docks, everybody around there seems to head for Broad
> Creek. It's about 15
> feet of water, then 10' of mud/muck bottom river bottom
> and then hard clay
> underneath, according to borings made for the seawall
> engineering design at
> our club.
>
> If a storm passes close by, the wind direction can shift
> greatly during the
> storm. This adds a different challenge to anchoring. Some
> anchors are very
> good at setting, like Delta plow, others are very good at
> holding in mud,
> like the Fortress with the 45 degree fluke settings. But,
> if broken loose
> during a storm while the wind direction is changing, a
> Fortress will more
> easily drag and is more difficult to reset.
>
> Different people do different things. One popular
> anchoring technique is
> the Bahamian, using two anchors at 45-180 angles. Other
> experienced storm
> survivors here have used two anchors in series to cope with
> our special
> bottom conditions. Usually, coming from the direction of
> the boat, the
> first anchor is a Delta plow type with the usual nylon rode
> and chain.
> Then, they add about 30' of stainless cable and attach
> a Fortress or
> Danforth type. The idea is the Delta plow will quickly
> reset if the
> direction changes and slow down dragging long enough for
> the Fortress to
> also reset, dig in and hold on hard. A friend with a
> Gulfstar 37 has used
> this technique for ten years with great success in Broad
> Creek. His boat is
> heavy and I know he uses large sizes (not sure how large),
> but I think the
> same technique would work for a 3000# R22 with smaller
> ground tackle.
>
> Fortunately for Raven, two days before Hannah arrived I
> just hauled her
> home. This is a wonderful advantage of a trailerable. But
> it think it's
> always a good idea to be prepared for whatever the wind
> gods send us.
>
> May all your storms go the other way,
>
> PT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> elle
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 8:21 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
>
> Well; what a coincidence.....anchoring is on my mind.
>
> It seems that when Hanna was deciding where to rest her
> head, we decided to
> anchor the boats (mine & my neighbor's ) in the
> creek...which is a
> well-protected hurrricane hole.
>
> The favored anchoring scheme is two anchors each set at
> about 45 deg off the
> bow. I have the (way too light) Danforth-style which comes
> with the boat &
> another 21lb Danforth, 200' of rode & @ 8-10'
> of chain.
>
> Problem 1....how to anchor from the bow as the furling
> mechanism is in the
> way if we go out straight from the bow cleat....or have
> massive chafing if
> we run the rode outside of the bow pulpit...boat will then
> not be
> head-to-wind.....
>
> Problem 2...this creek has a thick layer of
> detritus..mainly
> leaves...coating the bottom....the heavy Danforth would not
> set w/all the
> junk, so a new anchor is in my future.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions? I am looking at a Delta as the
> CQR (my first
> choice) is 'way too much $$$$$.
>
> We ended up securing one end of the boat to a forward
> piling and the other
> to a tree on shore.
>
>
> elle
>
>
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can
> adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Red)
>
>
> --- On Sun, 9/14/08, Michael D. Weisner
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 6:27 PM
> > Paul,
> >
> > We must have beaten this topic to death several times
> in
> > the past. A quick
> > check of the nabble archives under "anchor
> > locker" yielded:
> >
> >
> http://www.nabble.com/anchor-locker---dumb-questions-to18156518.html#a181565
> 18
> >
> >
> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18071799.html#a18144554
> >
> >
> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18135271.html#a18135271
> >
> >
> http://www.nabble.com/New-Guy-Bill-D.-tp7060395p7069009.html
> >
> >
> http://www.nabble.com/Anchoring---Again-to5113633.html#a5113633
> >
> >
> http://www.nabble.com/Go-To-Anchor-to2383036.html#a2383036
> >
> > You get the idea. Most of us seem to use a Rubbermaid
> > basket in the laz or
> > under a cockpit seat for the stern anchor, although I
> > prefer a bag hung on
> > the stern rail. I still use the forward locker for my
> bow
> > anchor rode
> > storage. I cleat it to the central foredeck cleat and
> pass
> > it through my
> > bow chocks.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > From: "Paul Krawitz"
> > <krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>Sent: Sunday,
> > September
> > 14, 2008 5:53 PM
> > > How do you guys anchor?
> > >
> > > The forepeak (tiny bow storage area) is an
> > impractical way to store
> > > rode and the opening is to small for my big hands
> to
> > get in there.
> > >
> > > I've resorted to storing the rode below the
> > cockpit benches, in a
> > > Rubbermaid container, and walking it forward and
> > attaching it to the
> > > Danforth anchor handing from the bow pulpit when
> I
> > need to.
> > >
> > > Where do you cleat it? The central bow cleat?
> > >
> > > I'm hoping someone has a better suggestion.
> > >
> > > Paul K
> > > "Clarity"
> > >
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