[Rhodes22-list] anchoring: Pete & Ed

elle watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Mon Sep 15 12:49:03 EDT 2008 

Mike,

"Cheaper" as compared to the CQR or Rocna...still 'way out of the ballpark for this chick....but no trailer, so have to find a way to keep WM safe.
 
Another alternative is to beach her in the cove below my house..tie to tree & dock..and hire a powerboater to pull her out if she is aground after water recedes...of coourse, w/my luck, there would be one branch, placed just so......;^(

I think I'll take my chances with anchoring...;^)

elle

We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring: Pete & Ed
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 11:24 AM
> $400 for the "cheaper" anchor!  Sheesh, I've
> been in the wrong business!!
> 
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>Sent:
> Monday, September 15, 2008 11:16 
> AM
> > Ed,
> > those are Rocna or Manson (cheaper) anchors.....Rocna
> 22# (for boats 
> > 23'-36') is only @ $400...;^)...the equivalent
> 25# CQR for boats 16'-32' 
> > is $559....
> >
> > The 22# Delta for boats 25'-41' is @ $175....
> >
> >
> >
> > HI, Pete,
> >
> > Thanks for the thorough, as usual, reply.
> >
> > At our local "got-one-of -everything-
> somewhere-" marine  guy I have 
> > located a  25 # CQR for $225...and a slightly smaller
> Delta (he thinks @ 
> > 22 lb) for $50....Acc'd to the West catalog,
> either would work in this 
> > type of bottom....I see I did not mention earlier that
> there is wonderful 
> > mud under the leaves on the creek.....
> >
> > My neighbor on the dock w/ the 37' Gulfstar uses
> the Bahamian 
> > technique...with the one center cleat on my Rhodes
> there is still the 
> > problem of the furling mechanism....
> >
> > Is the bow eye backed sufficiently to allow it to be
> used as the 
> > attachment point?? Then the boat could ride into the
> wind....If it is not 
> > 'bow-to-wind' (cleated around the bow pulpit
> w/chafe protection) I think 
> > the strain on the anchor could be greater than
> anticipated. 
> > (Understanding I will use @15' of chain also)..
> >
> > elle
> >
> >
> >
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
> can adjust our sails.
> >
> > 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"
>   (Lady in Red)
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Peter Thorn
> <pthorn at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
> >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 9:08 AM
> >> elle,
> >>
> >> Broad Creek in New Bern, where Blackbeard is
> located, is
> >> the best hurricane
> >> hole for miles around.   When a surge is expected
> and boats
> >> must leave their
> >> docks, everybody around there seems to head for
> Broad
> >> Creek.   It's about 15
> >> feet of water, then 10' of mud/muck bottom
> river bottom
> >> and then hard clay
> >> underneath, according to borings made for the
> seawall
> >> engineering design at
> >> our club.
> >>
> >> If a storm passes close by, the wind direction can
> shift
> >> greatly during the
> >> storm.  This adds a different challenge to
> anchoring.  Some
> >> anchors are very
> >> good at setting, like Delta plow, others are very
> good at
> >> holding in mud,
> >> like the Fortress with the 45 degree fluke
> settings.  But,
> >> if broken loose
> >> during a storm while the wind direction is
> changing, a
> >> Fortress will more
> >> easily drag and is more difficult to reset.
> >>
> >> Different people do different things.  One popular
> >> anchoring technique is
> >> the Bahamian, using two anchors at 45-180 angles. 
> Other
> >> experienced storm
> >> survivors here have used two anchors in series to
> cope with
> >> our special
> >> bottom conditions.  Usually, coming from the
> direction of
> >> the boat, the
> >> first anchor is a Delta plow type with the usual
> nylon rode
> >> and chain.
> >> Then, they add about 30' of stainless cable
> and attach
> >> a Fortress or
> >> Danforth type.  The idea is the Delta plow will
> quickly
> >> reset if the
> >> direction changes and slow down dragging long
> enough for
> >> the Fortress to
> >> also reset, dig in and hold on hard.   A friend
> with a
> >> Gulfstar 37 has used
> >> this technique for ten years with great success in
> Broad
> >> Creek.  His boat is
> >> heavy and I know he uses large sizes (not sure how
> large),
> >> but I think the
> >> same technique would work for a 3000# R22 with
> smaller
> >> ground tackle.
> >>
> >> Fortunately for Raven, two days before Hannah
> arrived I
> >> just hauled her
> >> home.  This is a wonderful advantage of a
> trailerable.  But
> >> it think it's
> >> always a good idea to be prepared for whatever the
> wind
> >> gods send us.
> >>
> >> May all your storms go the other way,
> >>
> >> PT
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of
> >> elle
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 8:21 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
> >>
> >> Well; what a coincidence.....anchoring is on my
> mind.
> >>
> >> It seems that when Hanna was deciding where to
> rest her
> >> head, we decided to
> >> anchor the boats (mine & my neighbor's )
> in the
> >> creek...which is a
> >> well-protected hurrricane hole.
> >>
> >> The favored anchoring scheme is two anchors each
> set at
> >> about 45 deg off the
> >> bow. I have the (way too light) Danforth-style
> which comes
> >> with the boat &
> >> another  21lb Danforth, 200' of rode & @
> 8-10'
> >> of chain.
> >>
> >> Problem 1....how to anchor from the bow as the
> furling
> >> mechanism is in the
> >> way if we go out straight from the bow cleat....or
> have
> >> massive chafing if
> >> we run the rode outside of the bow pulpit...boat
> will then
> >> not be
> >> head-to-wind.....
> >>
> >> Problem 2...this creek has a thick layer of
> >> detritus..mainly
> >> leaves...coating the bottom....the heavy Danforth
> would not
> >> set w/all the
> >> junk, so a new anchor is in my future.
> >>
> >> Anyone have any suggestions? I am looking at a
> Delta as the
> >> CQR (my first
> >> choice) is 'way too much $$$$$.
> >>
> >> We ended up securing one end of the boat to a
> forward
> >> piling and the other
> >> to a tree on shore.
> >>
> >>
> >> elle
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We can't change the angle of the wind....but
> we can
> >> adjust our sails.
> >>
> >> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06 
> "WaterMusic"
> >> (Lady in Red)
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 9/14/08, Michael D. Weisner
> >> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: Michael D. Weisner
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
> >> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 6:27 PM
> >> > Paul,
> >> >
> >> > We must have beaten this topic to death
> several times
> >> in
> >> > the past.  A quick
> >> > check of the nabble archives under
> "anchor
> >> > locker" yielded:
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/anchor-locker---dumb-questions-to18156518.html#a181565
> >> 18
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18071799.html#a18144554
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18135271.html#a18135271
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/New-Guy-Bill-D.-tp7060395p7069009.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/Anchoring---Again-to5113633.html#a5113633
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/Go-To-Anchor-to2383036.html#a2383036
> >> >
> >> > You get the idea.  Most of us seem to use a
> Rubbermaid
> >> > basket in the laz or
> >> > under a cockpit seat for the stern anchor,
> although I
> >> > prefer a bag hung on
> >> > the stern rail.  I still use the forward
> locker for my
> >> bow
> >> > anchor rode
> >> > storage.  I cleat it to the central foredeck
> cleat and
> >> pass
> >> > it through my
> >> > bow chocks.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> >> >        Nissequogue River, NY
> >> >
> >> > From: "Paul Krawitz"
> >> > <krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>Sent:
> Sunday,
> >> > September
> >> > 14, 2008 5:53 PM
> >> > > How do you guys anchor?
> >> > >
> >> > > The forepeak (tiny bow storage area) is
> an
> >> > impractical way to store
> >> > > rode and the opening is to small for my
> big hands
> >> to
> >> > get in there.
> >> > >
> >> > > I've resorted to storing the rode
> below the
> >> > cockpit benches, in a
> >> > > Rubbermaid container, and walking it
> forward and
> >> > attaching it to the
> >> > > Danforth anchor handing from the bow
> pulpit when
> >> I
> >> > need to.
> >> > >
> >> > > Where do you cleat it? The central bow
> cleat?
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm hoping someone has a better
> suggestion.
> >> > >
> >> > > Paul K
> >> > > "Clarity"
> >> > >
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