[Rhodes22-list] anchoring
Todd Tavares
sprocket80 at mail.com
Wed Sep 17 22:08:56 EDT 2008
Bill,
I have to be the least experienced sailor on this list but I have been
reading all of these anchoring posts and now I am more confused. You
said the proper pulling angle on the shank of a Danforth or Fortress is
45 degrees, and you can properly set one of these anchors using a
floating rode? My question is what exactly is the process of setting
the anchor if rode (chain) weight and horizontal pulling action on the
shank do not factor in? How do you get the horizontal pull/motion
necessary to set the anchor flukes deeper than them just poking into the
mud on impact? Do you let out more than 10:1 scope before your first
snub? There has to be some horizontal pulling on the shank at angles much
lower than even 30 degrees for the flukes to dig in. The flukes on my
Danforth only pivot down 30 degrees; (if the shank is exactly horizontal)
and if the the optimum pulling angle is on the shank is 45 degrees up: my
flukes will be pitched up 15 degrees. Are you saying that the shank is
pointed up 45 degrees and in line with the taut rode? Or is the anchor
already set and shank flat on the bottom and not in line with the 45
degree rode?? If the later, how did the anchor dig in in the first
place?
See attached
Todd T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Lou Troy"
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:21:52 -0400
Just for clarification's sake, I was not advocating anchoring from
the stern. An anchor deployed from the stern can still be cleated to
the bow. It's just a matter of when you go forward - to deploy the
anchor or to move the rode from a stern cleat to a bow cleat after
the boat is stopped.
That's all theoretical. Because we sail double handed we've always
been able to have one of us walk the anchor forward to deploy - even
in our one near emergency - when our motor quit as we were motoring
away from a drawbridge with a strong current taking us back toward
the bridge. We have never had to anchor in rough weather but have
considered the possibility and decided that if it was too rough to
walk the anchor forward, we would deploy it from the stern and then
change where the rode was cleated.
We made our original decision to keep the anchor in the lazarette
because anchor rodes used frequently in the Chesapeake get muddy and
smelly and we really didn't want additional dampness in the cabin.
After years of anchoring, I've never regretted it. That being said, I
would much rather have the anchor on the bow with a true anchor
locker.
With your arrangement do you have to attach the rode to anchor each
time you use it? I'm not sure I would be comfortable with that -
especially in rough weather or when you needed to deploy an anchor
quickly.
Best,
Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD
At 08:45 PM 9/17/2008, you wrote:
> Mary Lou,
>
> Let me point out that when both the rigging and motor fail, you'll
have to
> use your anchor to keep off the rocks. Unfortunately, an anchor
kept in
> the cockpit won't do the job.
>
> An anchor deployed from the stern will result in a very wet wait
for help
> (and for most boats other than the R22, a sinking.) The alternative
is
> risking injury or going overboard attempting to carry an anchor,
chain and
> rode forward in rough seas.
>
> So the anchor and rode locker on the R22 is in the right place. I
store
> 20' of chain and 200' of rode in the locker with room to spare.
>
> My peeve is the size of the access hole. On the best of days, I can
just
> fit my hand through. So that's not something I want to attempt
rolling
> around on the bow deck due to rough seas.
>
> To solve the problem, I thread a 1/4 inch nylon line through an eye
inside
> the cap. I tie one end of the line to the bitter end of the rode
and the
> other end of the line to the anchor end of the chain. Pulling off
the cap
> pulls up the rode and chain so they can both be attached before
pulling
> the rest of the tackle onto the deck.
>
> Rick
>
> > You've discovered my biggest pet peeve about the R22 - lack of a
> > workable scheme for anchor storage. There are lots of ideas in
the
> > archives. Here's what we do.
> >
> > We keep the rode, chain and anchor in a mesh bag in the
lazarette.
> > The mesh bag is made for rode storage and has handles for
carrying
> > and a grommet for you to thread the bitter end through.
> > (http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detail.htm?fno=400&group=776 I
think
> > West has them too) The rode is very carefully flaked back in the
bag
> > after each use so it is ready to go. Because we usually anchor in
> > shallow water, we have bundled the rode in 50 ft increments with
> > velcro ties - the first 50 or 70 ft are flaked loosely, the rest
> > bundled. We also have the rode marked with vinyl markers
available
> > from various marine supply stores so we know how much we have
out.
> >
> > We always sail double handed so its easy for one of us to walk
the
> > bag forward, secure the bitter end to the bow cleat and deploy
the
> > anchor. We leave the bag on the foredeck while anchored and
retrieve
> > the line back into the bag and walk it back when we are done.
> >
> > Single handed we would probably cleat to a stern cleat, deploy
the
> > anchor from the stern and then walk the rode forward to cleat
from
> > the stern after the anchor was secure. In that case, we'd
probably
> > leave the bitter end secured from the stern cleat, the mesh bag
in
> > the cockpit and just walk a length of rode forward to secure from
the bow.
> >
> > We've put a Nicro solar fan vent in the opening to the anchor
rode
> > tray and leave the rode tray home.
> >
> > Best,
> > Mary Lou
> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > Rock Hall, MD
> >
> > At 05:53 PM 9/14/2008, you wrote:
> >>How do you guys anchor?
> >>
> >>The forepeak (tiny bow storage area) is an impractical way to
store
> >>rode and the opening is to small for my big hands to get in
there.
> >>
> >>I've resorted to storing the rode below the cockpit benches, in a
> >>Rubbermaid container, and walking it forward and attaching it to
the
> >>Danforth anchor handing from the bow pulpit when I need to.
> >>
> >>Where do you cleat it? The central bow cleat?
> >>
> >>I'm hoping someone has a better suggestion.
> >>
> >>Paul K
> >>"Clarity"
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