[Rhodes22-list] Andrew relax and read all posts (Political response to degrogatory comment not made from knowledge of background)

[Tootle]

Andrew  offered his recent experience with a subpoenas as reason for Todd
Palin to testify.  Use of the word subpoenas does not mean the same in all
situations.  You were dealing with a legal civil law subpoena. 

Todd Palin's subpoena was a legislative information finding subpoena.  It is
most important to understand the situation from the beginning of legislative
investigation to the events that changed the nature of the investigation.

It appears that the legislative investigation was started before Sara Palin
was nominated for VP.  At the time she was Governor of Alaska.  The
situation arose over a bureaucrat, that is appointed government official,
who had administrative oversight of the Alaska State Troopers.  That
official had several other responsibilities.

The Governor of Alaska has responsibility of presenting the state budget to
the legislature in Alaska.  The official invovled did not like changes to
the budget that the Governor, Sara Palin, made to his department.  He
publically as in a news conference rebuked the Governor and asked the
legislature to fund his department as he wanted.  Sara Palin asked for his
resignation for that action.  It is a matter of public record in Alaska.

She went against the entrenched bureaurcrat.  And that guy had friends in
the legislature who brought the investigation.  She did what she as Governor
of Alaska had a right to do.  He did not like being told to follow the 'rule
of law'.

Understand that it was not a legal subpoena but a legislative investigative
subpoena.  Understand there is a big difference.  The same word does not
have the same force of law in all situations. 

Yes, our country is great - because people can challange illegal actions by
government.  The validity of that subpoena has not been litigated in a court
of law.  Ask Ben C. about habeous corpus, the individuals right to challange
the government.  

You are takining the position that Todd Palin has no right to challenge that
subpoena.  I disagree.  “Since the general civilization of mankind, I
believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the
people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent
and sudden usurpation”    James Madison 

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA

  

Andrew Collins-2 wrote:
> 
> Tootle
> 
> Our country is great and successful because we have rule of law and we, as
> a
> nation and a society, respect the laws. This allows us to own our homes
> without fear of having our property expropriated and a whole lot of other
> benefits.
> 
> Answering subpoenas, paying parking tickets and real estate taxes and all
> kinds of other things that are subjectively repugnant do help our society,
> even today, to be one of the best in existence.
> 
> Beware of anarchical autocratic tendencies, it is the beginning of the
> end.
> 
> Last year I received my first subpoena, which caused some nervousness. A
> building owner was suing a contractor, and I was the engineer for the
> construction. The owner's lawyer called to schedule the dates for my
> testimony (!!!), and I told him that in light of the fact that both the
> owner and the contractor were SEsOAHHN, I would be poor witness for both
> parties. Lady luck smiled upon me and I was not called. Now, both parties
> were, IMHO, on the lunatic fringe, but I would have appeared. Nobody would
> be able to say that I would not stand up when addressed, or lacked the
> intestinal fortitude to appear.
> So, Todd may eat moose, but he ain' t a stand-up guy. And yes, I have
> worked
> for Bobby deNiro.
> 
> Andrew (involuntary fellow traveller and reluctant socialist)
> sv Carmen
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> 
>>
>> Brad,
>>
>> You copied that follow up article directly into your post, and it was
>> good
>> and appropiate, but where is citation?  Documentation of authenticity?
>>
>> Andrew said, "If he didn't do anything why not show up?"  Why bother?  I
>> would ignore a useless and worthless subpoena, too.  And most Americans
>> would too.  That committe is not the IRS.  I do not bow to false gods.
>>
>> I suspect that Todd Palin has a similar viewpoint.  Really you should
>> too,
>> but I will not order you to adopt my viewpoint.  I have no right to order
>> you to and in my opinion they had no right to order him to appear.
>>
>> Ed K
>> Greenville, SC, USA
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