[Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem

[MichaelT]

Has anyone tried cross-sheeting? Can someone explain?

I saw a note on this in What's New in rhodes.org.
http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/tack1.html

I'm also unable to go closed haul and thinking that its my jib sail as i
notice a deep concave shape in the sail.

Michael



Leland wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> I posted this back in September 2007:
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ____
> 
> Jack,
>  
> I stand corrected.  I actually can point that high.  And I'm not that
> good
> of a sailor.
>  
> Went sailing this afternoon.  True wind was exactly 12 knots from the
> south
> just before I put the sails up and exactly 12 knots from the south just
> after I furled them in.  Apparent wind fluctuated between 10 and 15
> knots. 
> Small craft advisory due to the chop, which was about 3 feet in most
> areas.
>  
> Boom down.  Full main.  Genoa sheets ran across the cabin top which
> brought
> the tip of the clew to the forward shrouds (about 85% reefed).  Board
> down. 
> Traveler centered but pulled so tight the end of the boom was less than
> 12"
> from the traveler.
>  
> Port tack on a close reach at 240 degrees with a 10 to 15 degree heel
> going
> about 3.5 to 4 knots with the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the
> leeward side.  Starboard tack at on a close reach at 150 degrees with a
> 15
> to 20 degree heel (stupid 130 lb. outboard) going about 3.5 to 4 knots
> with
> the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the leeward side.  240 minus 150
> equals 90 divided by 2 would be 45 degrees into the wind, but that was
> on a
> close reach, not on a beat, close-hauled.  I easily got another 5
> degrees
> without luffing the sails on a beat.
>  
> Considering the amount of wind and chop, I think the Rhodes22 will point
> better than 40 degrees with a little less wind and a lot less chop.
>  
> One other minor factor.  I was single-handling so I only had 180 lbs. of
> human ballast.  Okay, maybe 190 lbs., but I was standing most of the
> time as
> opposed to sitting or hiking-out.
>  
> We really do have a well-designed sailboat.
>  
> Lee
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ____
> 
> "Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> jib
>> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
> area is
>> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult."
> 
> I'm still relatively inexperienced so I would appreciate input from more
> experienced sailors.  You have your centerboard down which is important,
> however I believe it is even more important to run your sheets as close
> to the mast as possible.  If you run your sheets between the shrouds,
> you can pull the Genoa quite a way back behind the outer shroud for a
> lot of sail area.  If you run your sheets between the mast and inner
> shroud, you can still make your Genoa slightly larger than 100%.
> 
> I've never measured it, but I don't think I can get 45 degrees if the
> wind is less than 5 knots.  In light wind I start out on a beam reach
> and inch my way into the wind until my speed starts to slow.  At that
> point I'd rather go fast than make headway.  If you really need to make
> headway, there's no shame in taking Bill's advice and firing up the iron
> genny.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  At Ease
> Kent Island, MD
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Effros [mailto:bill at effros.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:56 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Does your boat have a motor?
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Krawitz wrote:
>> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when
> it is
>> close hauled.
>> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
> difference
>> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
>>
>> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those
> two
>> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled
> standing
>> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
> from
>> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
> traveling
>> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
>> (P.S. What is that thing?)
>>
>> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
> tacks.
>>
>> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> jib
>> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
> area is
>> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
>>
>> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside
> the
>> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees
> off the
>> wind.
>>
>> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib
> looks
>> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
>>
>> And yes, the centerboard is down.
>>
>> What works for you?
>>
>> Paul K
>> "Clarity"
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