[Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem

Wed Sep 24 08:13:34 EDT 2008

Slim,
I have never used a preventer, but I can see where it would come in handy.  
Captain Keller uses one from time to time, but remember, I like to keep things  
simple. I use the genoa sheets to control the sail.

Rummy

In a message dated 9/23/2008 2:11:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
stevenalm at gmail.com writes:

Rummy,

Do you use any halyard or downhaul lines on your whisker  pole?

Slim

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:48 PM,  ben
<benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>wrote:

> There's  a good point there:  if you're going to regularly be sailing
>  directly into your prevailing winds, and especially if you don't  regularly
> try to move as fast as you can in a 5kt or less wind, you  might consider
> buying a smaller jib than our giant genoas.  That  way, you can sheet more
> inside while maintaining ideal sail  shape.
>
> Ben
> VE
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>  [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David Culp
>  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:55 PM
> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing  Problem
>
> Paul:
>
> I have the same issues you do on  my narrow lake.  However, I have solved a
> lot of it by sheeting  inside the upper shrouds.  Last year, I did some
> calculations on  jib area and I found that if I tighten the jibup and extend
> it fully  to the eye and cleat that I have close to 150% jib area, which is
>  a
> nice foresail. Some Rhodies only have hank on jibs that are 160  %.
>
> Yesterday with about 7 - 8 knots of wind max, I needed to  point as close as
> possible to get home.  I built a bunch of belly  into the loose-footed IMF
> main with the topping lift, tightened up the  leech lines on both sails, put
> the traveler to windward, CB down and  even in slack winds made good speed
> while pointing about 45 degrees  maybe a bit closer.   Big improvement over
> what I use to do  which was carry the jib sheets outside the uppers and then
> just unfurl  the most jib I could get away with depending on the wind
> strength and  then just accepting whatever terrible sail shape I got.  I do
>  a
> lot fewer tacks now getting home and it saves a lot of time.   Of course
> there is no free lunch. You have to be very careful when  tacking with all
> that jib rolled out and the sheets between the  shrouds.  It still gets me
> occasionally that I don't get the jib  tighten down quickly enough before
> the
> wind fills it and it  gets pinched on the upper shroud.  Then you have to
> come up on  the wind to un-hang it killing your forward speed.  But with
>  some
> practice, I have learned to do it right most of the time and it  is quite
> safisfying and efficient when you time everything just  right.  Of course,
> as
> the wind strengthens, then I start  reducing the jib area and getting it
> pinched is not as a much a  problem.
>
> Sincerely,
> David  Culp
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:11:59  -0400
> From: "Alan Robertson" <bigal_61 at msn.com>
> Subject:  Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>
> I  realize that you sail a lot single handed; we don't. The only time we  
can
> point up closer is to run the jib sheets inside of the outmost  shrouds, sit
> any "friendly" guests over 150 lbs. on the windward side  with life
> preservers buckled and get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15  degree heel.
> Anything more or any weight on the leeward side means a  mop-up job if the
> non-sailors have just had lunch!
>  Bigal_61 at msn.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Paul Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
>   To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
>  Subject:  [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
>  I love the way  my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when it
>  is
>  close hauled.
>  In my narrow harbor, being able  to point close to the wind is the
> difference
>  between  returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
>
>  Now I'm not  asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those two
>   guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled  standing
>  platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet,  gracefully leaping from
>  one side to the other, making smooth and  instantaneous tacks and traveling
>  at 15 knots (no  exaggeration).
>  (P.S. What is that thing?)
>
>   But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
>  tacks.
>
>  Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new  Rhodes, in which the jib
>  sheets travel either inside one or two  of the shrouds. But the sail area
> is
>  so much smaller  with the new system that making headway is difficult.
>
>   Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside  
the
>  shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60  degrees off
> the
>  wind.
>
>  I tried  tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib  
looks
>  cleaner, but I'm still too far off the  wind.
>
>  And yes, the centerboard is  down.
>
>  What works for you?
>
>  Paul  K
>  "Clarity"
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