[Rhodes22-list] Was Pointing Problem/ Now whisker pole recommendation.
Leland
LKUHN at cnmc.org
Wed Sep 24 08:38:37 EDT 2008
Mike,
If you don't want to pay $20 for shipping, take a copy of the ad for the
Defender whisker pole, or use this one:
http://http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FOR406000&Category_Code=FORHEA
http://http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FOR406000&Category_Code=FORHEA
to West Marine. As long as the competitor's price isn't less than West
Marine's cost, they'll match it. Last night I took the mauriprosailing ad
to West Marine and after taxes it saved me $30.
I have yet to find any ad less than West Marine's cost, just like I have yet
to find any competitor's price higher than West Marine's retail price tag.
It only saves you money if you don't buy a bunch of other crap when you go
into the store.
Lee
Mike Cheung wrote:
>
> Defender has that whisher pole for $117. I'm thinking of ordering one for
> Muireann.
>
> Mike Cheung s/v Muireann 1993/2008 Rhodes 22
>
>
> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>
>> Lee,
>> Captain Keller and I both use the Forespar small twist lock pole that
>> goes
>> from 6 to 12 feet. It has a snap lock on one end (boat end) and a spike
>> on the
>> sail end. It is relatively inexpensive so if you lose it overboard or
>> happen
>> to break it the pain of replacing it won't be so great.
>> Forespar part # 406000
>> WM part # 111179
>> Back when I bought mine they were around $125.00. Now they are closer to
>> $150.00, but it really is a worthwhile expenditure. Everyone knows I
>> don't go
>> for the gadgets because they either break or are in the way, but this is
>> one
>> piece of hardware I use a lot. It will store nicely in the storage
>> compartments
>> on either side of the V berth.
>> I placed a hook on the front of the mast, but have never used it. I
>> usually
>> attach it to a lower part of a shroud which is more easily accessible
>> from the
>> cockpit when under sail. I find it to be fun to experiment with. It
>> really
>> stretches out the 175 and makes it an awesome sight going wing on wing.
>> Try
>> that in 10 mile an hour winds and you will understand what extreme
>> sailing is
>> all about. I have actually buried the bow before I was able to release
>> everything and turn upwind. Washed the decks clean and even cleaned the
>> carpet in
>> the cabin. :)
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:39:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>>
>> Rummy,
>>
>> Last week I sent an email to Stan for some parts. I also asked him if
>> he
>> had a used whisker pole lying around.
>>
>> Assuming he doesn't have an old one, do you have any recommendations on
>> what
>> pole works well with the Rhodes?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Lee
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
>> Sent: Mon 9/22/2008 11:33 AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> Lee,
>> With a whisker pole you could have left the full 175 genny out and
>> really
>> had a ride going wing on wing.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> Don't know if this helps but on Saturday I went out single-handed with
>> the
>> winds very consistent at about 10 to 10.5 knots.
>>
>> Board down, traveler centered, full main, poptop up, sheets between
>> inner
>> and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past the outer
>> shroud
>> to
>> about 115%. Tiller locked in the center. Heel between 10 and 15
>> degrees.
>> Body weight mostly on windward seat. Chop was only a little more than
>> a
>> foot.
>> Speed was consistent at just above 4 knots. Tacked and after recovery
>> there
>> was a 90 degree difference on the compass, which would be exactly 45
>> degrees
>> into the wind. By that calculation I could have been doing 40 degrees
>> on
>> one tack and 50 degrees on the other but it's doubtful. Heel was
>> slightly
>> more
>> on the starboard tack due to the weight of the motor.
>>
>> I was a little surprised that the boat would do that well with the
>> poptop
>> up, boom up, and without the sheets being ran across the poptop between
>> the
>> mast and inner shroud. I still believe that in the right conditions
>> the
>> boat
>> will do better than 40 degrees, although I don't know how much speed
>> would
>> be
>> lost.
>>
>> Decided to complete the triangle and sail back to the marina entrance
>> on a
>> run with the wind and waves directly behind me. Furled in the Genoa
>> and
>> released the boom so it was just touching the shrouds. The
>> loose-footed
>> main was
>> still pulled flat tight and the inner shroud protruded into the sail.
>> Not
>> exactly optimal sail shape for the point-of-sail. Pulled up the
>> centerboard.
>> Speed was about 5 knots, but I think the waves helped a lot. Sailing
>> with
>> just the main is certainly an easy means of sailing with the wind.
>> Tiller
>> again was locked to the center and my weight was balanced in the center
>> of
>> the
>> boat.
>>
>> Had time to do another triangle so I tried it with the exact same
>> conditions
>> but with the centerboard up. Compass reading difference was 98 degrees
>> and
>> speed picked up about 0.3 knots. Heeled increased but less than 5
>> degrees.
>>
>> On a scale of 1 to 10, I hate to rate anthing a 10, so I'll give the
>> sailing
>> conditions on Saturday a 9.9.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Alan Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
>> Sent: Sun 9/21/2008 10:11 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> I realize that you sail a lot single handed; we don't. The only time we
>> can
>> point up closer is to run the jib sheets inside of the outmost shrouds,
>> sit
>> any "friendly" guests over 150 lbs. on the windward side with life
>> preservers
>> buckled and get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree heel. Anything more
>> or
>> any weight on the leeward side means a mop-up job if the non-sailors
>> have
>> just
>> had lunch!
>> Bigal_61 at msn.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Paul Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>>
>>
>> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when
>> it is
>> close hauled.
>> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
>> difference
>> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
>>
>> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those
>> two
>> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled
>> standing
>> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
>> from
>> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
>> traveling
>> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
>> (P.S. What is that thing?)
>>
>> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
>> tacks.
>>
>> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
>> jib
>> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
>> area is
>> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
>>
>> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside
>> the
>> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees
>> off the
>> wind.
>>
>> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib
>> looks
>> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
>>
>> And yes, the centerboard is down.
>>
>> What works for you?
>>
>> Paul K
>> "Clarity"
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