[Rhodes22-list] Now Comes General Boats And

stan stan at rhodes22.com
Fri Aug 7 16:06:38 EDT 2009 

sure - I am giving all those who do not agree with me, the business.

ss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BenCittadino" <bencittadino at gmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now Comes General Boats And


>
> Hey Stan;
>
> I don't know about long term business planning, but I sure hope you're not
> planning to "shuffle off this mortal coil" anytime soon; and if you do can
> we still get support from GBI :)   ??
>
> your friend;
>
> BenC
>
>
>
>
>
> cowie wrote:
>>
>> Stan:
>>
>> It looks like you are getting some good ideas, fee as a percent of the
>> cost of a boat sale, support fee etc.  All of these ideas seem to have
>> merit and I look forward to your thoughts on what will work best for GB.
>> All of these ideas suggest an investment in GB by owners of R22's that I
>> think is a win win for all of us.  I subscribe to various associations 
>> and
>> software support programs in order to maintaine the quality of my
>> architectural services.  I subscribe to these because they bring value
>> just as I beleive your program does.  When deciding what architectural
>> support products to subscribe to and or purchase I look at the quality 
>> and
>> health of  the company includiing their long term business plan to make
>> sure they are keeping up with the latest technology and will be in
>> business when I need their help in the future.  GB has meet all the
>> invovative and quality design criteria when I was looking for a new boat
>> to purchase however I was not clear on what the GB long term business 
>> plan
>> is.   It would be helpful for you to share the long term GB plan along
>> with any other ideas on how the R22 community can help support that plan.
>>
>> Bob Keller wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding the LoRo Program:
>>>
>>> I think the concept is good and I totally agree with it.  The idea of
>>> having "certified" boats that get factory support is a good idea.
>>> Non-certified boats could be charged a fee to be certified, which would
>>> be a (5?) % of their purchase price.  If they do not want factory
>>> support, they could elect not to pay.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I did not have factory support I would not have a sailable boat.  If 
>>> I
>>> was ever going to sell Yankee Clipper (no plans to do so) I would have
>>> Stan and GB sell it for me.
>>>
>>> Bob K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: stan at rhodes22.com
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:02:54 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now Comes General Boats And
>>>>
>>>> relax guys
>>>>
>>>> This was not then, and is not yet, a formalized program - it is in the
>>>> thinking and testing stage where results are beginning to lead to a
>>>> solution
>>>> based on a numbered LoRo certificate that a participating seller will
>>>> pass
>>>> along with their boat. Since most buyers somehow come in contact with 
>>>> us
>>>> before buying a private sale used boat, they will be made aware of the
>>>> program and ask (or not ask) the seller for this certificate when they
>>>> buy
>>>> that boat. The seller that can include the certificate along with the
>>>> title papers, will have a great selling advantage. The seller who opts
>>>> to
>>>> not go with the program would not be able to give the buyer the
>>>> certificate
>>>> and the buyer hopefully will pass on buying that boat. If the buyer 
>>>> does
>>>> decides to buy a boat where the seller can not include the numbered
>>>> certificate, the buyer will be doing so knowing that they have to move
>>>> to
>>>> the end of the line if they ever have to have any future dealings with
>>>> GB.
>>>>
>>>> What we are open to now, from our thoughtful Rhodies is their take on
>>>> this
>>>> gelling.
>>>>
>>>> ss
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "David Culp" <dculp at hsbtx.com>
>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now Comes General Boats And
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Stan:
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you for your long post in explanation of Loyalty/Royalty which 
>>>> > I
>>>> am
>>>> > going to abbreviate with the term "LoRo for future reference. I 
>>>> > concur
>>>> > with
>>>> > Cowie in that your post should be added as a section to the GBI
>>>> website
>>>> > perhaps after a little editing. The reason for this is that as a
>>>> > prospective owner and buyer, I did not become aware of it until after
>>>> > purchasing the boat and joining the list. As a new buyer, I was a
>>>> little
>>>> > taken aback by facing yet another fee which was nearly as much as the
>>>> > sales
>>>> > tax that I paid the State of Texas for the boat. And as you will
>>>> recall,
>>>> > I
>>>> > was rather defensive about it at the time. By putting this 
>>>> > information
>>>> > upfront on the website, it can become a part of the negotiation
>>>> between
>>>> > buyer and seller on a used boat. I doubt seriously that the seller of
>>>> my
>>>> > boat paid any Lo/Ro fees. I have paid only $ 200.00 toward the buyer
>>>> LoRo
>>>> > because it caught me by surprise and frankly, these boats ain't
>>>> cheap... I
>>>> > spent my budget and then some.
>>>> >
>>>> > Had I known that LoRo was going to be an issue... It would have been
>>>> > brought
>>>> > up during the negotiation for the boat. Of course, a buyer can never
>>>> > insure
>>>> > that a seller will pay and vise versa but at least I would have had
>>>> some
>>>> > monies negotiated to cover my end. The buyer will always be the one
>>>> very
>>>> > interested in the continued operation of GBI and likely to pay for a
>>>> > certificate. Most sellers will take the money and run.
>>>> >
>>>> > I look forward to details of the LoRo program when you notify us of
>>>> it...
>>>> > Especially how you intend to deal with present owners who have no
>>>> vestment
>>>> > or only a partial vestment like myself. The only caveat I see and 
>>>> > this
>>>> > sounds kind of ridiculous; is that I seem to recall some FTC rules
>>>> > preventing manufacturers from withholding customer support for
>>>> > manufactured
>>>> > goods still in production and then for a certain time period
>>>> afterwards if
>>>> > production ceases and the company continues in operation. So if lack
>>>> of a
>>>> > LoRo certificate means a reduced customer support program then you 
>>>> > may
>>>> > want
>>>> > to check with counsel to make sure of the legality. I don't want you
>>>> to
>>>> > go
>>>> > out of business and neither do I want you to be sued.
>>>> >
>>>> > Perhaps a "certified" boat owner gets a break on the price of parts
>>>> and/or
>>>> > goes to the top of the email/telephone queue. I'm sure you will think
>>>> of
>>>> > something.
>>>> >
>>>> > David
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:15:01 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> > From: cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now comes General Boats
>>>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> > Message-ID: <24831681.post at talk.nabble.com>
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Stan:
>>>> >
>>>> > You have done a great job establishing and maintaining the general
>>>> boats
>>>> > company. The recycle program has been a significant part of your
>>>> success.
>>>> > As a buisness owner I can appreciate the challanges and opportuniites
>>>> > trying
>>>> > to provide a product to be proud of and stay afloat at the same time.
>>>> I
>>>> > am
>>>> > in favor of a Loyalty/Royalty program along with any other specific
>>>> > suggestions from GB. It would be helpful to have a clear statement on
>>>> the
>>>> > GB business plan and how we as a community of owners can support GB 
>>>> > to
>>>> > contribute to and benefit from the win/win/win conditions you aim to
>>>> > support. Maybe this is already included on the GB web site however
>>>> clear
>>>> > communication of your message to current and future community members
>>>> > would
>>>> > be helpful.
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