[Rhodes22-list] communication leaks

[Leland]

Rob,

I've always assumed there is no connection between the lazarette and the
bilge because I'll frequently get water in either one without getting it in
the other.

The GBI website states:

"Instead, a separate mold creates a cockpit floor that extends the full
width of the boat with the aft end turning up to form a Lazaret."

and

"The area in the large enclosed locking lazaret is not self-bailing."

Neither of those statements say the lazarette does not connect to the bilge,
but if the cockpit doesn't drain to the bilge and it's part of the same mold
as the lazarette, then it seems like the lazarette wouldn't connect to the
bilge either.  Not sure.

Lee



Rob Lowe wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> So, if I now understand your communication, water that would normally
> collect in the bilge is collecting under the laz due to the angle at
> which your boat is currently sitting?  You do seem to have some sort of
> a crack around the through hull fitting as it enters into the laz and
> that water is seeping into the laz, which to me would indicate you're
> got a fair amount of water in there.  I would expect if your to level
> your boat the water would travel to the bilge?  Lee suggests there is no
> connection between bilge and laz but I'm not sure that is the case.  I
> don't believe there is any physical separation between the two.  
> 
> Now I agree that water seeping out of the base of the through hull
> fitting is of concern, it sounds like there is a crack where the fitting
> is glassed into the boat and water collecting under it is seeping in.
> Just my guess. - rob
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Babb
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:24 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] communication leaks
> 
> All,
> I am reminded of the phrase "what we have here is a failure to 
> communicate" and also Sir Francis Bacon's discussion of pitfalls in 
> communication.
> 
> I "think" I have resolved my question for the moment.  My concern was 
> that I didn't understand why water should be seeping out at the BASE of 
> the through hull fitting in the lazarette.  I wasn't trying to find out 
> specifically where water was getting into the boat originally.  I was 
> trying to get an answer to why it was seeping at the base of the through
> 
> hull (he said redundantly, once more).
> 
> What many folks including Stan missed was my remark that the boat was 
> sitting on a hill with the stern downhill.  I should have shown a 
> picture of the boat, but didn't.  In the pictures of the laz, I should 
> have indicated with an arrow the direction of water flow towards the 
> stern.  But I didn't.  Comments about it not being possible for water to
> 
> flow from the bilge to the laz made me search in other directions which 
> lead to serious concerns about the cockpit floor.  What was missed was 
> the fact that the boat is sitting on a hill.  So it IS possible for 
> water to flow from the bilge to the laz with the stern downhill.  It 
> just takes its own sweet time about it.  The bilge does communicate with
> 
> the lazarette and other regions of the boat.  This gives one a common 
> place to sponge up water acquired via any kind of leak, above or below 
> the waterline.  But the boat must be level or nearly so for gravity to 
> do its thing.
> 
> After talking with Stan I have learned that there is probably nothing 
> abnormal about my situation.  I still think it is screwy that water 
> should seep from where it seeps.  Unless the boat has its nose in the 
> air, like it does now, you'd never see this.  If the water was seeping 
> from an intentional orifice in the laz, I would never have been 
> worried.  As it is, it is possibly because the fiberglass tabbing of the
> 
> cockpit to the laz floor didn't take just in that one spot.
> 
> In the course of investigation, though, I did find 4 of the 8 screws 
> holding the table leg flange were stripped.  So I will be repairing 
> that.  But the flange is glued securely to the floor anyhow.  As one 
> person pointed out, this does not mean that water doesn't get in under 
> that flange.  So when I have some time, I'll level the boat and fill the
> 
> cockpit up and see what happens.
> Hope all this makes sense.
> Joe
> 
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