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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:41:17 +0000
From: david.walker5 at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
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I too am having OB problems with my Yamaha 9.9. Will not idle and speed hunts up and down. Prelim diagnosis is a clogged idle jet. I don't understand why small OB's are so finicky. I have a Honda snow blower that is 15 years old never been worked on never had gas additive never had the gas run out at the end of the season and has always stored outside and has never failed to start on the first pull and run perfectly.
Dave
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:27:32
To: Rhodes 22<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
About 2 weekends ago my trusty Nissan 8hp outboard quit while we were
motoring home under windless skies. Fortunately not too far from home
and we got a tow in.
Fiddled with it a while and could get it to run for 15-30 seconds or
so and then it would just die. Checked tank vent, filter, fuel line
and confirmed that fuel was flowing freely all the way up to the
carburetor.
Having a little experience with outboard repair, I took the carburetor
off and dismantled it. On closer inspection I realized the float
valve was sticking up - in the closed position. So, it would let fuel
into the carburetor until it closed and then never opened again. The
engine would use up what was in the float bowl and quit. A couple
raps on the side with a screwdriver would sometimes knock it loose and
let fuel come in again.
So... the problem was obvious but the cause was more insidious. The
float valve (also called the needle valve) has a rubber tip that seals
the fuel inlet opening when the float rises and the carb bowl is
full. But ethanol had degraded the rubber tip, making it soft and
sticky. The float would push it up in the valve chamber and the
rubber would deform and stick in the narrow opening. So, no more fuel
coming in until it got knocked loose again.
Strangely, the other rubber parts seemed to be in good condition. But
I ordered a carb kit and replaced everything anyway. Now tt's back to
its usual smooth running self.
Another thing to check if you have fuel-related problems...
Cheers!
John Lock
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
Lake Sinclair, GA
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:03:34 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
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Dave,
Obviously you need to store the Yamaha O/B outside and try clearing snow
with it. A winter operation should cure the problem if the engine knows
what's best for it - so much easier to move water in the warm weather or is
it?
Seriously, are you sure that the idle jet is clogged? If the inlet valve
fails to seat, the fuel bowl will continue to fill, preventing normal
idling. Usually it stalls at low speeds due to flooding if this is the
case. This is just the opposite of John Lock's problem where the inlet
valve stuck closed, cutting off the fuel so that once the bowl was empty,
the engine quit. Both conditions may permit the engine to run normally with
partial to full throttle since the engine is either using the fuel at the
rate that it is entering the bowl (valve stuck open) or the float never
closes the valve (sticks when closed.)
If the idle jet is indeed clogged, check out everything after the fuel
filter looking for a source of gunk or varnish and be sure to replace the
filter after servicing.
Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
From: <david.walker5 at comcast.net> Friday, August 14, 2009 5:41 PM
>I too am having OB problems with my Yamaha 9.9. Will not idle and speed
>hunts up and down. Prelim diagnosis is a clogged idle jet. I don't
>understand why small OB's are so finicky. I have a Honda snow blower that
>is 15 years old never been worked on never had gas additive never had the
>gas run out at the end of the season and has always stored outside and has
>never failed to start on the first pull and run perfectly.
>
> Dave
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:27:32
> To: Rhodes 22<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
>
>
> About 2 weekends ago my trusty Nissan 8hp outboard quit while we were
> motoring home under windless skies. Fortunately not too far from home
> and we got a tow in.
>
> Fiddled with it a while and could get it to run for 15-30 seconds or
> so and then it would just die. Checked tank vent, filter, fuel line
> and confirmed that fuel was flowing freely all the way up to the
> carburetor.
>
> Having a little experience with outboard repair, I took the carburetor
> off and dismantled it. On closer inspection I realized the float
> valve was sticking up - in the closed position. So, it would let fuel
> into the carburetor until it closed and then never opened again. The
> engine would use up what was in the float bowl and quit. A couple
> raps on the side with a screwdriver would sometimes knock it loose and
> let fuel come in again.
>
> So... the problem was obvious but the cause was more insidious. The
> float valve (also called the needle valve) has a rubber tip that seals
> the fuel inlet opening when the float rises and the carb bowl is
> full. But ethanol had degraded the rubber tip, making it soft and
> sticky. The float would push it up in the valve chamber and the
> rubber would deform and stick in the narrow opening. So, no more fuel
> coming in until it got knocked loose again.
>
> Strangely, the other rubber parts seemed to be in good condition. But
> I ordered a carb kit and replaced everything anyway. Now tt's back to
> its usual smooth running self.
>
> Another thing to check if you have fuel-related problems...
>
> Cheers!
> John Lock
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> Lake Sinclair, GA
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:42:52 +0000
From: david.walker5 at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
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Mike
Thanks for the input. The clogged jet was a guess from a yamaha mechanic after a description of the symptons. Half throttle and above seems to run ok. Below that it will run at speed for awhile then drop to a poor idle then pop back to normal a few minutes later
I'm thinking possibly one fouled plug. I'm on a mooring so work on the motor is tough until I pull her in October
Dave
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:03:34
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
Dave,
Obviously you need to store the Yamaha O/B outside and try clearing snow
with it. A winter operation should cure the problem if the engine knows
what's best for it - so much easier to move water in the warm weather or is
it?
Seriously, are you sure that the idle jet is clogged? If the inlet valve
fails to seat, the fuel bowl will continue to fill, preventing normal
idling. Usually it stalls at low speeds due to flooding if this is the
case. This is just the opposite of John Lock's problem where the inlet
valve stuck closed, cutting off the fuel so that once the bowl was empty,
the engine quit. Both conditions may permit the engine to run normally with
partial to full throttle since the engine is either using the fuel at the
rate that it is entering the bowl (valve stuck open) or the float never
closes the valve (sticks when closed.)
If the idle jet is indeed clogged, check out everything after the fuel
filter looking for a source of gunk or varnish and be sure to replace the
filter after servicing.
Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
From: <david.walker5 at comcast.net> Friday, August 14, 2009 5:41 PM
>I too am having OB problems with my Yamaha 9.9. Will not idle and speed
>hunts up and down. Prelim diagnosis is a clogged idle jet. I don't
>understand why small OB's are so finicky. I have a Honda snow blower that
>is 15 years old never been worked on never had gas additive never had the
>gas run out at the end of the season and has always stored outside and has
>never failed to start on the first pull and run perfectly.
>
> Dave
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:27:32
> To: Rhodes 22<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
>
>
> About 2 weekends ago my trusty Nissan 8hp outboard quit while we were
> motoring home under windless skies. Fortunately not too far from home
> and we got a tow in.
>
> Fiddled with it a while and could get it to run for 15-30 seconds or
> so and then it would just die. Checked tank vent, filter, fuel line
> and confirmed that fuel was flowing freely all the way up to the
> carburetor.
>
> Having a little experience with outboard repair, I took the carburetor
> off and dismantled it. On closer inspection I realized the float
> valve was sticking up - in the closed position. So, it would let fuel
> into the carburetor until it closed and then never opened again. The
> engine would use up what was in the float bowl and quit. A couple
> raps on the side with a screwdriver would sometimes knock it loose and
> let fuel come in again.
>
> So... the problem was obvious but the cause was more insidious. The
> float valve (also called the needle valve) has a rubber tip that seals
> the fuel inlet opening when the float rises and the carb bowl is
> full. But ethanol had degraded the rubber tip, making it soft and
> sticky. The float would push it up in the valve chamber and the
> rubber would deform and stick in the narrow opening. So, no more fuel
> coming in until it got knocked loose again.
>
> Strangely, the other rubber parts seemed to be in good condition. But
> I ordered a carb kit and replaced everything anyway. Now tt's back to
> its usual smooth running self.
>
> Another thing to check if you have fuel-related problems...
>
> Cheers!
> John Lock
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> Lake Sinclair, GA
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:57:47 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
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Dave,
>From what you just said, it could also be an ignition problem. Fouled plugs
generally result in poor starting or rough operation at power and idle.
They usually don't get better and worse by themselves. Look for an
electrical problem.
I, too, am on a mooring and usually put my R22 on the trailer if I want to
work on the engine - it's better than diving in after tools and parts in
12 - 20 feet of water.
Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
From: <david.walker5 at comcast.net> Friday, August 14, 2009 6:42 PM
> Mike
>
> Thanks for the input. The clogged jet was a guess from a yamaha mechanic
> after a description of the symptons. Half throttle and above seems to run
> ok. Below that it will run at speed for awhile then drop to a poor idle
> then pop back to normal a few minutes later
>
> I'm thinking possibly one fouled plug. I'm on a mooring so work on the
> motor is tough until I pull her in October
>
> Dave
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:03:34
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
>
>
> Dave,
>
> Obviously you need to store the Yamaha O/B outside and try clearing snow
> with it. A winter operation should cure the problem if the engine knows
> what's best for it - so much easier to move water in the warm weather or
> is
> it?
>
> Seriously, are you sure that the idle jet is clogged? If the inlet valve
> fails to seat, the fuel bowl will continue to fill, preventing normal
> idling. Usually it stalls at low speeds due to flooding if this is the
> case. This is just the opposite of John Lock's problem where the inlet
> valve stuck closed, cutting off the fuel so that once the bowl was empty,
> the engine quit. Both conditions may permit the engine to run normally
> with
> partial to full throttle since the engine is either using the fuel at the
> rate that it is entering the bowl (valve stuck open) or the float never
> closes the valve (sticks when closed.)
>
> If the idle jet is indeed clogged, check out everything after the fuel
> filter looking for a source of gunk or varnish and be sure to replace the
> filter after servicing.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: <david.walker5 at comcast.net> Friday, August 14, 2009 5:41 PM
>>I too am having OB problems with my Yamaha 9.9. Will not idle and speed
>>hunts up and down. Prelim diagnosis is a clogged idle jet. I don't
>>understand why small OB's are so finicky. I have a Honda snow blower that
>>is 15 years old never been worked on never had gas additive never had the
>>gas run out at the end of the season and has always stored outside and
>>has
>>never failed to start on the first pull and run perfectly.
>>
>> Dave
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:27:32
>> To: Rhodes 22<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
>>
>>
>> About 2 weekends ago my trusty Nissan 8hp outboard quit while we were
>> motoring home under windless skies. Fortunately not too far from home
>> and we got a tow in.
>>
>> Fiddled with it a while and could get it to run for 15-30 seconds or
>> so and then it would just die. Checked tank vent, filter, fuel line
>> and confirmed that fuel was flowing freely all the way up to the
>> carburetor.
>>
>> Having a little experience with outboard repair, I took the carburetor
>> off and dismantled it. On closer inspection I realized the float
>> valve was sticking up - in the closed position. So, it would let fuel
>> into the carburetor until it closed and then never opened again. The
>> engine would use up what was in the float bowl and quit. A couple
>> raps on the side with a screwdriver would sometimes knock it loose and
>> let fuel come in again.
>>
>> So... the problem was obvious but the cause was more insidious. The
>> float valve (also called the needle valve) has a rubber tip that seals
>> the fuel inlet opening when the float rises and the carb bowl is
>> full. But ethanol had degraded the rubber tip, making it soft and
>> sticky. The float would push it up in the valve chamber and the
>> rubber would deform and stick in the narrow opening. So, no more fuel
>> coming in until it got knocked loose again.
>>
>> Strangely, the other rubber parts seemed to be in good condition. But
>> I ordered a carb kit and replaced everything anyway. Now tt's back to
>> its usual smooth running self.
>>
>> Another thing to check if you have fuel-related problems...
>>
>> Cheers!
>> John Lock
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:35:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
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Dave,
I had trouble with my Nissan 6hp last year.I emptyed out the fuel line to
the tank and put a capful of sea foam in the line and treated the
tank.After a mile of running,it started to run better,when I went to set
the anchor for the night,I really wound it out.The next morning it
wouldn't even fire,took over two hours to sail back to the marina in
almost no wind.All pissed off,I signed the work order to have the marina
work on it. Two days,$50 and 1 spark plug later it was running like a
champ,and has ever since.
Three things I believe-
1- seafoam works,I treat every tank,might just ward off problems.
2- after fuel problems,change spark plugs,ten bucks and ten minutes is
cheap insurence.
3- I believe I'll go sailing now,have a good weekend.
Jerry Lowe
> Dave,
>
>>From what you just said, it could also be an ignition problem. Fouled
>> plugs
> generally result in poor starting or rough operation at power and idle.
> They usually don't get better and worse by themselves. Look for an
> electrical problem.
>
> I, too, am on a mooring and usually put my R22 on the trailer if I want to
> work on the engine - it's better than diving in after tools and parts in
> 12 - 20 feet of water.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: <david.walker5 at comcast.net> Friday, August 14, 2009 6:42 PM
>> Mike
>>
>> Thanks for the input. The clogged jet was a guess from a yamaha mechanic
>> after a description of the symptons. Half throttle and above seems to
>> run
>> ok. Below that it will run at speed for awhile then drop to a poor idle
>> then pop back to normal a few minutes later
>>
>> I'm thinking possibly one fouled plug. I'm on a mooring so work on the
>> motor is tough until I pull her in October
>>
>> Dave
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:03:34
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
>>
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Obviously you need to store the Yamaha O/B outside and try clearing snow
>> with it. A winter operation should cure the problem if the engine knows
>> what's best for it - so much easier to move water in the warm weather or
>> is
>> it?
>>
>> Seriously, are you sure that the idle jet is clogged? If the inlet
>> valve
>> fails to seat, the fuel bowl will continue to fill, preventing normal
>> idling. Usually it stalls at low speeds due to flooding if this is the
>> case. This is just the opposite of John Lock's problem where the inlet
>> valve stuck closed, cutting off the fuel so that once the bowl was
>> empty,
>> the engine quit. Both conditions may permit the engine to run normally
>> with
>> partial to full throttle since the engine is either using the fuel at
>> the
>> rate that it is entering the bowl (valve stuck open) or the float never
>> closes the valve (sticks when closed.)
>>
>> If the idle jet is indeed clogged, check out everything after the fuel
>> filter looking for a source of gunk or varnish and be sure to replace
>> the
>> filter after servicing.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: <david.walker5 at comcast.net> Friday, August 14, 2009 5:41 PM
>>>I too am having OB problems with my Yamaha 9.9. Will not idle and speed
>>>hunts up and down. Prelim diagnosis is a clogged idle jet. I don't
>>>understand why small OB's are so finicky. I have a Honda snow blower
>>> that
>>>is 15 years old never been worked on never had gas additive never had
>>> the
>>>gas run out at the end of the season and has always stored outside and
>>>has
>>>never failed to start on the first pull and run perfectly.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:27:32
>>> To: Rhodes 22<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
>>>
>>>
>>> About 2 weekends ago my trusty Nissan 8hp outboard quit while we were
>>> motoring home under windless skies. Fortunately not too far from home
>>> and we got a tow in.
>>>
>>> Fiddled with it a while and could get it to run for 15-30 seconds or
>>> so and then it would just die. Checked tank vent, filter, fuel line
>>> and confirmed that fuel was flowing freely all the way up to the
>>> carburetor.
>>>
>>> Having a little experience with outboard repair, I took the carburetor
>>> off and dismantled it. On closer inspection I realized the float
>>> valve was sticking up - in the closed position. So, it would let fuel
>>> into the carburetor until it closed and then never opened again. The
>>> engine would use up what was in the float bowl and quit. A couple
>>> raps on the side with a screwdriver would sometimes knock it loose and
>>> let fuel come in again.
>>>
>>> So... the problem was obvious but the cause was more insidious. The
>>> float valve (also called the needle valve) has a rubber tip that seals
>>> the fuel inlet opening when the float rises and the carb bowl is
>>> full. But ethanol had degraded the rubber tip, making it soft and
>>> sticky. The float would push it up in the valve chamber and the
>>> rubber would deform and stick in the narrow opening. So, no more fuel
>>> coming in until it got knocked loose again.
>>>
>>> Strangely, the other rubber parts seemed to be in good condition. But
>>> I ordered a carb kit and replaced everything anyway. Now tt's back to
>>> its usual smooth running self.
>>>
>>> Another thing to check if you have fuel-related problems...
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> John Lock
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:51:20 -0400
From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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All this talk of outboard problems makes me appreciate my noisy, smelly two
stroke Evinrude even more.
Ethanol? What's that? Does it dissolve oil? Then no prob. Old stale gas
dissolves oil, too.
In 12 years it has been cleaned twice by falling off the boat due to motor
mount failure. Just stick it back on the boat it it runs fine, just looks
better.
Rick
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:35 AM, <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I had trouble with my Nissan 6hp last year.I emptyed out the fuel line to
> the tank and put a capful of sea foam in the line and treated the
> tank.After a mile of running,it started to run better,when I went to set
> the anchor for the night,I really wound it out.The next morning it
> wouldn't even fire,took over two hours to sail back to the marina in
> almost no wind.All pissed off,I signed the work order to have the marina
> work on it. Two days,$50 and 1 spark plug later it was running like a
> champ,and has ever since.
> Three things I believe-
> 1- seafoam works,I treat every tank,might just ward off problems.
> 2- after fuel problems,change spark plugs,ten bucks and ten minutes is
> cheap insurence.
> 3- I believe I'll go sailing now,have a good weekend.
>
> Jerry Lowe
>
>
> > Dave,
> >
> >>From what you just said, it could also be an ignition problem. Fouled
> >> plugs
> > generally result in poor starting or rough operation at power and idle.
> > They usually don't get better and worse by themselves. Look for an
> > electrical problem.
> >
> > I, too, am on a mooring and usually put my R22 on the trailer if I want
> to
> > work on the engine - it's better than diving in after tools and parts in
> > 12 - 20 feet of water.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > From: <david.walker5 at comcast.net> Friday, August 14, 2009 6:42 PM
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Thanks for the input. The clogged jet was a guess from a yamaha mechanic
> >> after a description of the symptons. Half throttle and above seems to
> >> run
> >> ok. Below that it will run at speed for awhile then drop to a poor idle
> >> then pop back to normal a few minutes later
> >>
> >> I'm thinking possibly one fouled plug. I'm on a mooring so work on the
> >> motor is tough until I pull her in October
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>
> >> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:03:34
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> Obviously you need to store the Yamaha O/B outside and try clearing snow
> >> with it. A winter operation should cure the problem if the engine knows
> >> what's best for it - so much easier to move water in the warm weather or
> >> is
> >> it?
> >>
> >> Seriously, are you sure that the idle jet is clogged? If the inlet
> >> valve
> >> fails to seat, the fuel bowl will continue to fill, preventing normal
> >> idling. Usually it stalls at low speeds due to flooding if this is the
> >> case. This is just the opposite of John Lock's problem where the inlet
> >> valve stuck closed, cutting off the fuel so that once the bowl was
> >> empty,
> >> the engine quit. Both conditions may permit the engine to run normally
> >> with
> >> partial to full throttle since the engine is either using the fuel at
> >> the
> >> rate that it is entering the bowl (valve stuck open) or the float never
> >> closes the valve (sticks when closed.)
> >>
> >> If the idle jet is indeed clogged, check out everything after the fuel
> >> filter looking for a source of gunk or varnish and be sure to replace
> >> the
> >> filter after servicing.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> From: <david.walker5 at comcast.net> Friday, August 14, 2009 5:41 PM
> >>>I too am having OB problems with my Yamaha 9.9. Will not idle and speed
> >>>hunts up and down. Prelim diagnosis is a clogged idle jet. I don't
> >>>understand why small OB's are so finicky. I have a Honda snow blower
> >>> that
> >>>is 15 years old never been worked on never had gas additive never had
> >>> the
> >>>gas run out at the end of the season and has always stored outside and
> >>>has
> >>>never failed to start on the first pull and run perfectly.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:27:32
> >>> To: Rhodes 22<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another ethanol-related failure point
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> About 2 weekends ago my trusty Nissan 8hp outboard quit while we were
> >>> motoring home under windless skies. Fortunately not too far from home
> >>> and we got a tow in.
> >>>
> >>> Fiddled with it a while and could get it to run for 15-30 seconds or
> >>> so and then it would just die. Checked tank vent, filter, fuel line
> >>> and confirmed that fuel was flowing freely all the way up to the
> >>> carburetor.
> >>>
> >>> Having a little experience with outboard repair, I took the carburetor
> >>> off and dismantled it. On closer inspection I realized the float
> >>> valve was sticking up - in the closed position. So, it would let fuel
> >>> into the carburetor until it closed and then never opened again. The
> >>> engine would use up what was in the float bowl and quit. A couple
> >>> raps on the side with a screwdriver would sometimes knock it loose and
> >>> let fuel come in again.
> >>>
> >>> So... the problem was obvious but the cause was more insidious. The
> >>> float valve (also called the needle valve) has a rubber tip that seals
> >>> the fuel inlet opening when the float rises and the carb bowl is
> >>> full. But ethanol had degraded the rubber tip, making it soft and
> >>> sticky. The float would push it up in the valve chamber and the
> >>> rubber would deform and stick in the narrow opening. So, no more fuel
> >>> coming in until it got knocked loose again.
> >>>
> >>> Strangely, the other rubber parts seemed to be in good condition. But
> >>> I ordered a carb kit and replaced everything anyway. Now tt's back to
> >>> its usual smooth running self.
> >>>
> >>> Another thing to check if you have fuel-related problems...
> >>>
> >>> Cheers!
> >>> John Lock
> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> >>> Lake Sinclair, GA
> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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