[Rhodes22-list] Info posts on da Rhodes list

Tue Dec 22 19:03:31 EST 2009

I actually don't think there's any problem with people offering a service to
list members so long as they are otherwise contributing to the community (as
Art certainly does), they do it tastefully, and they quickly take the
commercial discussion back channel.  We're all rightfully sensitive to
avoiding open competition with GB since it's an overwhelming sentiment here
to support Stan and Rose and the business.  But I think 90 - 100% of what's
been talked about is either non-competitive or began as a collaboration with
GB.

For those that remember, Art's boom room project actually began here at
Stan's urging to come up with a better design.

I bought my boat name lettering from Rik.  Still looks great today after a
few years.

Art, I still need to get you the dimensions for the tiller cover...  keep
forgetting when I'm at the boat.

Dave

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Thanks, Todd,
>
> I agree that Michael gets the point, but has avoided the point.  I'll
> illustrate the value of unmuffled, yet tasteful, communication.  I began
> building various designs of R22 covers at the request of skippers who had
> been referred to expired canvas makers in Florida who had little or no
> interest in serving our Rhodes fleet.  These owners had no recourse for
> protecting their boats.  Now just tell me how it can help the fleet owners
> for the list to stiff a fellow fleet owner who is willing to help satisfy
> the needs of the other skippers with this or other canvas needs.  I, like
> you, don't think this is on a level playing field.
>
> This Summer I posted a few pointed emails, to respond, again, to RESPOND to
> suggestions I was unfair to GB and Stan by doing business in precious few of
> the products he does not even make.  If MJM or Stan care to question my
> business motives, fire when ready, Gridley!  I'll not let my business
> practices be soiled with that awful stuff.  I'll continue to service the
> fleet as I am physically able.
>
> Thanks again, Todd, for your perception and frank response.
>
> Art
> s/v Mary Jane
>
> --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Commercial Ads on da Rhodes list
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 5:33 PM
> >
> >  Michael,
> >
> >      I think you are looking at that
> > old discussion through Rose (and Stan) colored glasses. Art
> > has a valid point, regardless of the sour grapes which went
> > on between him and Stan.  Commercial advertisement is
> > commercial advertisement.  If you think Art should only
> > be allowed to direct Rhodes listers to a website, then the
> > rules should apply across the board---Art,Stan, myself, or
> > anyone else.
> > IMHO
> >
> > Todd T
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:00 pm
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Commercial Ads on da Rhodes list
> >
> >
> > Art,
> >
> > Do you have a website that you could refer interested
> > parties to?  I would
> > not mind a link to a site (occasionally) much the same as
> > has been done for
> > other vendors (WM, Defender, Dwyer, Doyle, etc.) and even a
> > Rhodie canvas
> > shop.
> >
> > I think that the original objection had to do with chasing
> > leads and airing
> > the GBI/AHC controversy using the list.
> >
> > Now, about that Babes on Boats thread ...
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Babes on Boats
> >
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I think this is an excellent suggestion.  As I
> > produce BR, PT, and cover
> > > options as a service to the fleet, MJM has suggested
> > that it is somehow
> > > slacking ethic to make this knowledge available to the
> > skippers who want
> > > and need it.  An interesting and apparently
> > biased slant considering that
> > > Stan has freely taken the perogative with the Catalina
> > 25 conversion,
> > > which he has openly announced and advertised on our
> > list, with price and
> > > all.
> > >
> > > Understand that I have no objection at all to Stan's
> > placement of his
> > > notice/ad.  The playing field should be level,
> > however.  Any double
> > > standard is a disservice to our fleet skippers and
> > owners.  Our objective
> > > should be to provide the very best information and
> > service to a very
> > > deserving and intelligent fleet market.
> > >
> > > Art
> > > s/v Mary Jane
> > > Lake Hartwell/St Pete
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Stephen Staum <staum at earthlink.net>
> > >>Sent: Dec 22, 2009 10:06 AM
> > >>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Babes on Boats
> > >>
> > >>Sign me up for this one!
> > >>
> > >>Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> I'd also like to see a "Babes on Boats"
> > section. :)
> > >>>
> > >>> Greg PA wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> One last thought is I wish this forum was
> > split into categories. It
> > >>>> would
> > >>>> be nice to have a "buy and sell",
> > non-sailing, older Rhodes. new
> > >>>> Rhodes
> > >>>> sections. I know the forum must be a lot
> > of work for the people who
> > >>>> maintain it, but the other forums with the
> > categories seem to have
> > >>>> less
> > >>>> squabbles.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Happy and Safe Holidays
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
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> > >>>
> http://old.nabble.com/Rhodes-List--Robertson%27s-Rules-Of-Order-tp26835266p26887976.html
> > >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive
> > at Nabble.com.
> > >>>
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