[Rhodes22-list] Compression Repair and Addition of Compression Post
Andrew Collins
sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com
Thu Feb 26 20:58:18 EST 2009
Rummy
I have Roger Pihlaja archival instructions which I found before Tootle sent
me there. These seem interesting. My tuning so far has been to go 2 turns
beyond loose, and counting threads on the turnbuckles so that all are
symmetrical. These are Elton's instructions. Stan told me to leave a little
play in the shrouds, as whenever one came about, the windward side would
tighten up anyway. As always, he is right.
Andrew
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> Andrew,
> Although the tension gauge is nice, don't waste your money because their
> manual has nothing in it about tensioning the stays on a R22. Each owner
> has
> their own method of tuning their rigging and I know the archives have a lot
> of
> good stuff on it. I don't know of any factory settings for the R22.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 2/26/2009 6:33:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com writes:
>
> Rummy
>
> The 2nd hatch installed over the head causes a .25" dip at the port to
> strboard centerline of the hatches
> It goes away when I lower the mast. Said hatch went in In 03 when the
> boat was recycled, it is an 86. The ex comp post is slightly aft and
> to stbrd of the mast step. The shrouds were never overly tight on my
> watch and I release the backstay tension when moored. I think I will
> get a Loo's tension gauge this year and set the tension per the
> manual. In any case I think one more season of monitoring is in order
>
> And welcome back!
> Andrew
> Sv Carmen
>
> Sent from mobile device.
>
> On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:07 PM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Rick,
> > I've been watching the discussions with interest concerning the
> > compression
> > posts and the problems people are having. In all the years that I
> > have owned
> > my Rhodes and been a part of this community, I have never before
> > seen any
> > discussions around this problem. After careful consideration and a
> > whole lot of
> > rum, I'm thinking that you all (southern expression) are doing
> > something to
> > these boats that you shouldn't be doing. My first thought is that
> > the shrouds
> > and stays are being tightened way to much. I would really appreciate
> > further
> > information. And why would anyone need to replace the mast step?
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/24/2009 8:59:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > The yard painting my boat just replaced the mast step. They are
> > not happy
> > with the beautiful compression post I fashioned from an oak full
> > round
> > supported by the cross-beam that frames the head sole.
> >
> > They're thinking of replacing the post with a truss to the head
> > bulkhead.
> > This would carry the load down to the keel and prevent hull
> > deformation when
> > compression loads the cross-beam.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:00 AM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew:
> >> That sounds like a good plan.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:05:17 -0500
> >> From: Andrew Collins <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Compression Repair and Addition of
> >> Compression Post
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <999352ba0902221105r149c46cdybec7ac8b082084de at mail.gmail.com>
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> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> You are correct. Our boat's respective deflections are opposite. The
> >> problem
> >> I have is if I move the compression post you can't get to the head
> >> very
> >> well, so I am thinking of installing a stainless steel bracket
> >> with a
> >> buttress that will catch the mast step forward and the compression
> >> post
> >> aft.
> >> The diagonal member would only be about 8-10" long. I know a custom
> >> stainless fabricator and can't imagine it would be expensive,
> >> $100-150<$@2100-150>,
> >> maybe.
> >>
> >> The other possibility is to get the SS comp post from Stan and
> >> install it
> >> at
> >> the aft end of the V berth. To do this I would want to take it
> >> down to the
> >> hull/stringers and glass it in. Then the deck reamining between
> >> the 2
> >> hatches must act as a bridge. My deck is wood cored, so my SWAG
> >> (scientific
> >> wild ass guesstimate) is that it will be OK.
> >>
> >> I guess a call to Stan is in order. I'll keep da list posted
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >> S/V Carmen
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:38 PM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Andrew:
> >>>
> >>> I am visualizing your boat as not having any bulkhead in front of
> >>> the
> >>> compression post and just the deck supports the mast in that
> >>> area? It
> >> that
> >>> right?
> >>>
> >>> My deflection was opposite yours and probably occurred because
> >>> someone
> >>> tighten down too hard on the aft stays and left it. My deck was
> >> basically
> >>> bending backwards, sort of breaking over the edge of the bulkhead
> >>> because
> >>> there was no support directly under the mast. Yours is flexing
> >>> forward
> >> and
> >>> if you have no support underneath it other then the compression
> >>> post,
> >> then
> >>> I
> >>> can understand that and you probably just need another post. If
> >>> there is
> >>> some other support there already, then I probably would want to
> >> investigate
> >>> further and make sure that I had no water intrusion either in the
> >>> deck
> >>> itself (the bridge) or in the deck support structure in both the
> >>> top and
> >>> bottom of the boat. My '98 has foam core, but your boat may be
> >>> wood
> >> cored.
> >>> Neither one of them like water. I pulled a hatch out and checked
> >>> just
> >> to
> >>> make sure none had gotten in.
> >>>
> >>> Check with Stan because I think I read on the list somewhere that
> >>> he has
> >> a
> >>> kit for a stainless pole. If you already have a stainless pole
> >>> and can
> >>> install another one, I think that would be good looking and very
> >>> substantial. Maybe you could move the one you already have
> >>> directly
> >> under
> >>> the step and solve the problem? I don't know as the boats have
> >>> some
> >>> differences spanning the years. In any event, I am sure Stan
> >>> has seen
> >> all
> >>> kinds of things on used boats coming in for recycle and can
> >>> probably
> >> advise
> >>> you whether or not there is anything for concern. Personally, I
> >>> like
> >>> having
> >>> the hatches for the ventilation they provide and having a
> >>> compression
> >> post
> >>> or two is actually a plus in my book.
> >>>
> >>> Interested to hear what you work out.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:36:19 -0500
> >>> From: Andrew Collins <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Compression Repair and Addition of
> >>> Compression Post
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>> <999352ba0902191836waed3e68wc7f72fdce1d6a6ac at mail.gmail.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>> Sorry to respond to this post so late, but due to travel and work
> >>> it all
> >>> got
> >>> delayed. The repair work you did looks like it solved the deck
> >>> deflection
> >>> problem - very nice job.
> >>> My boat is an '86 recycled in '06 with the unenclosed head - it
> >>> has a
> >>> curtain. The compression post is aft of the mast step, and I get a
> >> seasonal
> >>> deflection where the mast step plate depresses downward toward
> >>> the bow.
> >> It
> >>> is not as severe as the conditiion your photos show, and the deck
> > returns
> >>> to
> >>> the correct shape while the mast is stepped during the off season
> >>> and she
> >>> is
> >>> on the trailer on the hard. The only reason I noticed it was
> >>> because,
> >> like
> >>> your boat there are 2 hatches, there was some rainwater coming in
> >>> from
> >>> where
> >>> the hatch gaskets no longer touched the deck, leaving a 1/4" gap.
> >>> Michael W's comments below seem right on - the 2 hatches leave a
> >>> small
> >>> bridge and a little added support is required.
> >>>
> >>> Seeing your results will probably inspire me to install a remedial
> >> support
> >>> of some kind as well.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the post (pun intended)!
> >>>
> >>> Andrew Collins
> >>> s/v Carmen
> >>> Grass Island CT
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