[Rhodes22-list] History
Steven Alm
stevenalm at gmail.com
Fri Jan 2 16:09:36 EST 2009
What I'm referring to is both you and Bill perpetuating a stereotype about
Jews. That's what doesn't wash. I should have used alternative rhetoric
but In my usual smart ass way (and after a couple too many) I didn't mean to
offend your tender ears.
Slim
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Slim,
>
> Bill has already left the building but he'll get the message.
>
> "Spare me the Jew shit".
>
> That's a pretty harsh message. I looked at the time stamp, and one
> of my New Year's resolutions is all about forgiveness. Maybe, I've
> been spending too much time with my minister friend, and no, there
> isn't a "ghosts chance in hell I can be saved".
>
> Still, those were harsh words.
>
> What is 'Jew shit' anyway? You brought it up, you define it!
>
> Here's my 'quick and dirty' take on things. No one had a problem when
> I, or Herb, or Ed, or even Bill, was attacked on a daily basis. Do you
> recall the Obama troll who posted on this list prolifically posted and
> then dropped off immediately after the election?
>
> I for one won't put a stick in your eye, but I will remind you of
> where the stick came from.
>
> Jews. That's where we started. I'm an Irish drunk who is on the
> leading edge of flying - that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>
> Folks, pick your winners and losers. I'm sticking with the
> Joooooooos, the Chinks, and the rednecks. Good luck with your own
> personal program.
>
> Brad
>
> Here's a question ya'll need to ask yourselves - so you saved 'da
> list'. Is it worth saving? There's a gazillion venues to mentally
> masturbate about sailing.
>
> What did you have just before you lost it?
>
> Brad
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > Spare me the Jew shit. That just doesn't wash.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:20 PM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hear, hear.. Good going, thena.
> >>
> >> elle
> >>
> >> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
> >>
> >> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Thena Carville <thenacarville at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: Thena Carville <thenacarville at bellsouth.net>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] History
> >> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:14 AM
> >> > This is the history as I remember it as well...I joined
> >> > several of the lists
> >> > on Sailnet and the rhodes group was the
> >> > friendliest...several of the members
> >> > felt like good friends after a while...Rummy, Sail Pappy,
> >> > Steve, Alex and
> >> > his lovely Pamela and of course Michael...we were having
> >> > difficulty with
> >> > Sailnet and Michael said he could set up the list for
> >> > us...we ASKED him to
> >> > do it...we WANTED him to set it up and he was definitely in
> >> > charge (also his
> >> > nickel)...we were friends and we treated each other like
> >> > friends...we
> >> > behaved more like we were in the home of a friend, not a
> >> > bar...perhaps that
> >> > is where we made our mistake...I much prefer the idea of
> >> > keeping in mind we
> >> > are in the HOME of someone we know and like...rude is rude
> >> > and it simply
> >> > doesn't need to be like that...once someone behaves
> >> > badly, you wonder about
> >> > having him back in your home...and no one asked you to join
> >> > the list or even
> >> > post to the list...it is all voluntary contributions...the
> >> > idea was to
> >> > "share" knowledge and enjoy the company of people
> >> > who share a common
> >> > interest...well, several common interests, actually...if
> >> > you want to
> >> > communicate with some one person in particular, we ALWAYS
> >> > went off list...if
> >> > we didn't think everyone would be interested, we
> >> > communicated directly with
> >> > the person we wanted to communicate with...sometimes people
> >> > would get out of
> >> > hand, but when called on it, they would either calm it down
> >> > or remove
> >> > themselves, Michael did not have to do it...or then perhaps
> >> > he did, I was
> >> > just always of the opinion he just asked them nicely and
> >> > they did the right
> >> > thing...I like to think the best of people...we did not
> >> > always stay on topic
> >> > and were quick to share something funny or amusing or
> >> > thoughtful with the
> >> > group...the spirit of the exchanges have changed and not
> >> > for the
> >> > better...several times lately I have gotten so disgusted I
> >> > was ready to
> >> > leave, but did not, hoping it would get better...I do not
> >> > see the changes
> >> > Michael and John have suggested as being harmful or
> >> > detrimental but as a
> >> > welcome "change of tone" for the people who wish
> >> > to belong to a group of
> >> > friends...if you no longer wish to participate, so be
> >> > it...but frankly, this
> >> > is OUR list and we want it back...
> >> > Thena
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of
> >> > Mary Lou Troy
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:27 PM
> >> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] History
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Here's the history as I remember it dating at least to
> >> > early 1998.
> >> > Similar to Bill's but differing in a few key factors.
> >> > (If people are
> >> > going to be using the archives for list history I figured I
> >> > ought to
> >> > post the history as I remember it.)
> >> >
> >> > I believe the early list was a Sail-net email list. Sailnet
> >> > was
> >> > founded in 1994. I don't know when they started their
> >> > email lists. I
> >> > think I found the Rhodes list about the same time we
> >> > purchased
> >> > Fretless in the Spring of 1998 maybe a bit before. It was
> >> > not a
> >> > Rhodes 22 list but a list for admirers and owners of any
> >> > Rhodes
> >> > designed boat. The R22 owners quickly overwhelmed the list
> >> > and it
> >> > became a de facto R22 list. We were delighted to find each
> >> > other. If
> >> > there was another email list before that, it was not a
> >> > link on the
> >> > GB website in early 1996 when we started looking at the
> >> > R22. There
> >> > was evidently a print R22 Owners Association newsletter
> >> > that ceased
> >> > publication in 1991. Sailnet changed owners several times
> >> > with
> >> > impacts on email list reliability and the rules for the
> >> > list. At some
> >> > point (2002) our esteemed Michael Meltzer (who did indeed
> >> > help GB get
> >> > into the web business in the 90s and was a long-time R22
> >> > owner)
> >> > offered to host the list on his server. He put it together
> >> > in one
> >> > night using the rhodes22.org domain which he had already
> >> > used in
> >> > setting up the Rhodes owners site on his server. That was
> >> > the genesis
> >> > of the current list. For a while people were on both lists
> >> > but
> >> > eventually the Sailnet traffic withered away and Sailnet
> >> > got rid of
> >> > their email lists completely earlier this year. They still
> >> > have
> >> > forums (bulletin boards) and there is still a Rhodes forum
> >> > there.
> >> >
> >> > In the early days of the list there were several gatherings
> >> > of Rhodes
> >> > owners (and wannabees). There was a memorable dinner at
> >> > Carroll's
> >> > Creek Restaurant and another at Buddy's in Annapolis
> >> > after the Boat
> >> > Show. I remember Cam Whetstone carrying his new centerboard
> >> > cap
> >> > around as we waited to get in and Michael Meltzer checking
> >> > email on
> >> > his laptop long before any of the rest of us had heard of
> >> > aircards.
> >> > This was followed by a couple years when Jan Eyres (event
> >> > planner
> >> > extraordinaire) and I (but mostly Jan) planned an after
> >> > hours catered
> >> > dinner at the Annapolis Boat Show. Michael arranged the
> >> > passes to get
> >> > us in after-hours. Somewhere I still have the pics from
> >> > that. There
> >> > was a memorable gathering at Kentucky Lake. We didn't
> >> > go but it is
> >> > memorialized with pics on the Rhodes owners website. There
> >> > was a
> >> > marriage. There were a couple of gatherings on the
> >> > Chesapeake as well
> >> > as well as several mid-winter Chesapeake PlanJams - the
> >> > last at my
> >> > house last January with 30 some people. At this year's
> >> > Boat
> >> > Show (and last year's) we had lunch with Rhodes owners
> >> > from the list
> >> > in a mini-gathering organized on the list. These things
> >> > won't happen
> >> > if people sign off the list because of the content or the
> >> > tone of the
> >> > conversations.
> >> >
> >> > In the early days, if there were angry outbursts and hard
> >> > feelings
> >> > they mostly went off list. One person (maybe two) did get
> >> > banned when
> >> > they couldn't abide by the charter. It was
> >> > Michael's call. It was his
> >> > list. Bill is right that Stan used to send people to the
> >> > list but I
> >> > don't think Stan ever claimed ownership. I know that we
> >> > all have felt
> >> > a great deal of gratitude to Stan for continuing to build
> >> > and recycle
> >> > the boats that we sail with such pleasure. For the most
> >> > part we have
> >> > tried to be helpful to General Boats. My guess is that the
> >> > link to
> >> > the list came off the GB website when politics started
> >> > getting ugly.
> >> > I'm pretty sure Stan still sends people to the list but
> >> > probably only
> >> > after they have bought the boat or at least have made the
> >> > decision to
> >> > buy the boat.
> >> >
> >> > The list charter was a group effort by members of the list
> >> > to make
> >> > rules that we could live with and still get along with each
> >> > other to
> >> > everyone's benefit.
> >> >
> >> > Rummy, who just left the list, through his own good efforts
> >> > compiled
> >> > an owners list that was available to any member in good
> >> > standing of
> >> > that list. It was invaluable as we got to know each other.
> >> > When Rummy
> >> > decided to pack it in, I volunteered to take on the owners
> >> > list but
> >> > life intervened and I didn't get to it. By the time I
> >> > was ready to
> >> > take up the effort the political problems were in full
> >> > swing and I
> >> > wasn't feeling all that eager (not a good excuse just
> >> > the truth about
> >> > how I felt at the time). If the list becomes tolerable
> >> > again, maybe
> >> > I'll make another attempt.
> >> >
> >> > Mary Lou
> >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> >> > Rock Hall, MD
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 12:06 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:
> >> > >That's good history to know.
> >> > >When I signed up about 2 years ago, (that seams to be
> >> > when it started
> >> > >downhill) I was refered to by Stan also. I saw all the
> >> > political crap & was
> >> > >dissappointed....and said so. I got a shorter version
> >> > of the same
> >> > >explanation & then understood. I was told this was
> >> > not Stans list....by
> >> > >Stan.
> >> > >I agree with you nothing should be done different, the
> >> > charter covers it.
> >> > My
> >> > >problem is that some people insult you in such a nice
> >> > way, it's allowed
> >> > ...&
> >> > >when someone comes right out & says it, it's a
> >> > bad thing. I was disgusted
> >> > by
> >> > >some of the things said about our last President, I
> >> > just as disgusted that
> >> > >some people won't even give the new one a chance.
> >> > >Jb
> >> > >
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> >> > >To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:32 AM
> >> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Who Made You the Jello
> >> > Sheriff?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Jb,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Michael built and maintained Stan's website.
> >> > In return, Stan would tow
> >> > > > Michael's boat to Edenton every winter,
> >> > upgrade it, install "test"
> >> > > > equipment, bottom paint it, and get it back to
> >> > Michael in time for an
> >> > > > early launch.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > At some point, Michael suggested the formation of
> >> > an email group so that
> >> > > > people could ask each other all the questions
> >> > that Stan couldn't
> >> > > > possibly respond to...even if he owned a
> >> > computer, and knew how to use
> >> > it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Michael put links on Stan's website so both
> >> > existing owners and newbies
> >> > > > could find "da list". (Remember,
> >> > Google is only 10 years old -- it was
> >> > > > difficult for anyone other than a computer geek
> >> > to find anything on the
> >> > > > Internet, and email lists were not indexed.)
> >> > Almost everyone who got on
> >> > > > "da list" at that time was sent here by
> >> > Stan, both from his website and
> >> > > > from in-person recommendations both before and
> >> > after boat purchases.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I know I got here because Stan suggested I could
> >> > learn a lot from people
> >> > > > on the list. I know many others who got here the
> >> > same way.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Michael is one of the smartest people on the
> >> > planet. In the early days,
> >> > > > he would answer 9 out of 10 questions asked. He
> >> > talked to Stan
> >> > > > regularly, and when he didn't know the
> >> > answer, and felt it was a good
> >> > > > question, he would call Stan after hours and come
> >> > up with the technical
> >> > > > information the rest of us sought.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We hopped onto the Sailnet list server at some
> >> > point. They wanted to be
> >> > > > a web portal for sailers. They offered free
> >> > list-hosting. As they grew
> >> > > > they encountered growing pains. They switched
> >> > software, and lost
> >> > > > everyone on the list in the process. Those of us
> >> > who cared, contacted
> >> > > > everyone else back-channel and told them what had
> >> > happened and what they
> >> > > > had to do to get back on the list. I believe we
> >> > had 34 members at that
> >> > > > point.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Then Sailnet started selling things, and made a
> >> > rule that no one else
> >> > > > could sell anything on any list they hosted.
> >> > Then they started
> >> > > > monitoring lists to enforce the rule, and
> >> > bouncing out people who
> >> > > > violated their rule.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We started looking for another way to run our
> >> > list, and Michael came up
> >> > > > with the Mailman Program which he hosted and
> >> > maintained as
> >> > administrator.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > At some point Stan learned to use a computer, and
> >> > started providing
> >> > > > information directly to the list. What a treat!
> >> > When somebody got
> >> > > > something wrong, or had a better way to solve a
> >> > problem, the guy who
> >> > > > built the boat would actually discuss the issue
> >> > on an open forum!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Michael was plugged into the blogging community
> >> > before anyone used the
> >> > > > word "blog". He would get jokes, and
> >> > "insider info" and post it to the
> >> > > > list long before any other sailor had access to
> >> > what he posted. Some
> >> > > > complained that it was "off-topic" but
> >> > Stan always said he loved it, and
> >> > > > didn't give a damn if anyone didn't think
> >> > it was funny, or disagreed
> >> > > > with anyone else's political views. And, he
> >> > said, living in Edenton, he
> >> > > > wasn't locally exposed to a lot of cultural
> >> > stuff he took for granted
> >> > > > living near NYC.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "Bring it on" said Stan, "and
> >> > don't worry about killing a boat
> >> > > > sale--this is much more fun--be yourself--respect
> >> > each other--Michael
> >> > > > taught me how to use the delete key."
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Food fights would erupt from time to time over
> >> > the exact same issues.
> >> > > > Politics and Religion were both banned at some
> >> > point, so people started
> >> > > > inserting their political views in the form of
> >> > often vicious jokes. The
> >> > > > only way anyone could object to the joke was to
> >> > explain it in political
> >> > > > terms. The prohibition against Politics was
> >> > dropped with the mandate
> >> > > > that all political discussion had to be preceded
> >> > on the subject line by
> >> > > > the word Politics:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > How to use filters to toss all email labeled
> >> > "Politics:" into anyone's
> >> > > > junk folder was repeatedly explained so that
> >> > anyone not wishing to see
> >> > > > this stuff would never even know others on the
> >> > list were actively
> >> > > > discussing these topics.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Later, a rule was instituted mandating that
> >> > Jokes: also appears on the
> >> > > > subject line when the content is jokes.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > At some point the list turned on Stan. It
> >> > wasn't anyone's fault, it was
> >> > > > just the normal evolution of the Internet.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Some of the people who had been with the list for
> >> > a long time opted to
> >> > > > purchase other boats. They started singing the
> >> > praises of their boats,
> >> > > > on Stan's list, and urging others to trade in
> >> > Stan's boat for one
> >> > > > bigger, or better, or more ostentatious.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Then people who would never have been able to
> >> > find each other started
> >> > > > selling boats directly to each other, and cutting
> >> > Stan out of the middle
> >> > > > -- "Stan offered me $10,000 for this boat,
> >> > so you know he's going to
> >> > > > sell it for $20,000 -- I'll sell it to anyone
> >> > on the list for $15,000."
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Then people started offering to fabricate parts
> >> > for Stan's boat--"Send
> >> > > > me the specifications on that trailer, and
> >> > I'll make one for you for 1/2
> >> > > > what Stan would charge."
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Over time they hijacked Stan's list. Stan
> >> > objected several times, and
> >> > > > many people on the list went out of their way to
> >> > only buy through Stan.
> >> > > > But, in the end, Stan stopped participating on a
> >> > regular basis, and took
> >> > > > the list off his web site.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > But, it's still Stan's list, and Stan is
> >> > still the common link for most
> >> > > > of us. He can't use it as a sales tool
> >> > anymore, but he still can have
> >> > > > fun with old friends...just as it says in the
> >> > charter.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have posted the charter below so all can see
> >> > what they signed up for,
> >> > > > if they never took the time to read it
> >> > previously.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > In prior years, Michael would post the Charter at
> >> > this point--he wrote
> >> > > > it, but he seems disinclined to do so, so here it
> >> > is:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > *CHARTER*: *rhodes22*-list at ...
> >> > > >
> >> > <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=0
> >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The *rhodes*-list at ...
> >> > > >
> >> > <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=1
> >
> >> > > > group will be open to discussion of all
> >> > > > subjects specifically referring to *Rhodes*
> >> > sailboats or *Rhodes*
> >> > > > sailors. The focus of this group includes, but is
> >> > not limited to:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > * Encouraging the understanding and discussion of
> >> > *Rhodes* sailboats or
> >> > > > *Rhodes* sailors, in the many ways people wish to
> >> > define it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > * Acting as a source of information for
> >> > *Rhodes* sailboats or *Rhodes*
> >> > > > sailors worldwide and for people planning to
> >> > buy/sell/repair/learn
> >> > > > about *Rhodes* sailboats or *Rhodes* sailors.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > * Providing a forum for the development and
> >> > promotion *Rhodes*
> >> > sailboats
> >> > > > or *Rhodes* sailors' culture, history,
> >> > traditions and economy.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > * Any other subject that might be found at a
> >> > sailor's bar or the
> >> > > > Clubhouse Bar, Including *Rhodes* sailboats or
> >> > *Rhodes* sailors'
> >> > travels,
> >> > > > events, family, jokes, quotations, pets, etc.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > * The level of discussion does not have to be
> >> > fit for a child, but
> >> > > > some good taste is expected.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Binaries and Formatting: The posting of encoded
> >> > binaries (e.g.
> >> > > > pictures, compressed files, etc.) to
> >> > *rhodes*-list at ...
> >> > > >
> >> > <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=2
> >
> >> > > > is not
> >> > > > allowed, the list server will remove them. Please
> >> > use mixed case when
> >> > > > posting (Upper and lower case letters), typing
> >> > words in uppercase
> >> > > > means you are SHOUTING.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Quoting: Place new material at the top of the
> >> > post and quote what you
> >> > > > are replying to below. That makes it simple to
> >> > find out what is being
> >> > > > said. You are encouraged to edit down the quoted
> >> > material.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > HTML mail: Allot of the email programs (Netscape
> >> > and outlook) that can
> >> > > > send their email with embedded HTML. Embedded
> >> > HTML can cause some of
> >> > > > the list members to have trouble reading their
> >> > mail due to "browser
> >> > > > wars", not reading their mail with a web
> >> > browser and double messages
> >> > > > in digest mode. Member are encouraged to set
> >> > their programs to send
> >> > > > "text" email.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Subject Line: Please set or change the subject
> >> > line to reflect the
> >> > > > true subject of the post. for example
> >> > "Subject: anchors" might be
> >> > > > turned into "Subject: gastank was
> >> > anchors". If a joke (or any
> >> > > > questionable material) is being posted please
> >> > indicate it on the
> >> > > > subject line, for example "Subject:
> >> > Monday's Humor (jokes)"
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Netiquette: Posts to the group are expected to be
> >> > considerate of other
> >> > > > readers. Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities
> >> > are *not*
> >> > > > appreciated; but we are sailors.......
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Anonymous email: It is expected that users will
> >> > provide their name in
> >> > > > the email and will sign same. We like to know
> >> > who we're talking to.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Social Interaction/Manners: To a certain extent,
> >> > the interaction is
> >> > > > about what you would expect in any informal
> >> > social setting, for
> >> > > > example, a bar. It is recommended that you get
> >> > to know people first
> >> > > > and introduce yourself (about the same social
> >> > rules that you would use
> >> > > > to meet any new group of people). There is a
> >> > high level of chitchat on
> >> > > > the list, and what you might think is insulting
> >> > to a group or region
> >> > > > might only be people kidding each other after
> >> > knowing them for years.
> >> > > > As in any bar, the subjects of politics and
> >> > religion can lead to
> >> > > > heated augments and bar fights. These might be
> >> > best avoided.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The need to participate: It is recognized that a
> >> > group is only whoever
> >> > > > post to it, no more and no less. We can only talk
> >> > about what people
> >> > > > post about. You earn respect on the list by
> >> > postings and trying to
> >> > > > help each other, you can not demand it. Most
> >> > sailing topics we have
> >> > > > talked about already, We chit chat in the mean
> >> > time waiting to answer
> >> > > > questions or a new subject/story. If you want to
> >> > know something,
> >> > > > please post it, the more detail the better. If
> >> > someone is trying to
> >> > > > help you please answer their reasonable
> >> > questions. If you can help
> >> > > > someone, again post it, Try to repay the
> >> > knowledge you gained.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Bill Effros
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Jb wrote:
> >> > > > > why do keep saying this is Stans list?
> >> > > > > Jb
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: "Bill Effros"
> >> > <bill at effros.com>
> >> > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:53 PM
> >> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Made You the
> >> > Jello Sheriff?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >> Michael,
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Who made you the Jello Sheriff?
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> This is Stan's list, not yours, and
> >> > he just told us he doesn't
> >> > believe
> >> > >a
> >> > > > >> Jello Sheriff is required.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Shall I tell you who I think is being a
> >> > PITA?
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Do you think it will improve the list if
> >> > everyone conforms to your
> >> > >views
> >> > > > >> of who is using "mean sprite"?
> >> > Only people who submit jokes you find
> >> > > > >> funny can remain on the list? If you
> >> > don't laugh--they're out!
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Whatever happened to that rule about
> >> > throwing people off the list if
> >> > > > >> they don't own a Rhodes-22?
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> How about syntax rules, and spelling
> >> > rules? That should be fun.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Better drop the rule about people on ego
> >> > trips.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Of course, this charter change must be
> >> > submitted to the entire list
> >> > as
> >> > > > >> per our charter. Does Rummy still get a
> >> > vote? How about Ben? How
> >> > > > >> about people under your review?
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> LOL,
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Your dear friend,
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Bill Effros
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> michael meltzer wrote:
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>> He is the working idea.
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> 1) Is the problem is not so
> >> > much the off subject post, as long
> >> > as
> >> > > > >>> the
> >> > > > >>> are entertaining there is no real
> >> > issue, funny, informative, nice..
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> 2) The problem is the people
> >> > using "mean sprite" , pounding on
> >> > > > >>> people,
> >> > > > >>> people on ego trips that they must
> >> > change the world by changing the
> >> > >view
> >> > > > >>> of
> >> > > > >>> the members, being a PITA
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> To that end.
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> 1) in the short: people using
> >> > "mean sprite" , pounding on
> >> > people,
> >> > > > >>> people on ego trips that they must
> >> > change the world by changing the
> >> > >view
> >> > > > >>> of
> >> > > > >>> the members. Can and will be
> >> > suspended buy me and john at our whim,
> >> > >using
> >> > > > >>> current tools. Willing to listen to
> >> > some group feedback but really
> >> > >the
> >> > > > >>> right to suspend and remove
> >> > PITA's
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> 2) in the long term both me and
> >> > john no not have the time for
> >> > >this.
> >> > > > >>> Thinking along the lines of a
> >> > "trusted" group of people can
> >> > numerated
> >> > >a
> >> > > > >>> poster for suspend/remove/band that
> >> > a larger group of list members
> >> > can
> >> > > > >>> vote
> >> > > > >>> on(the jury, maybe post #/length of
> >> > time on the list weighted). Web
> >> > >based
> >> > > > >>> system. Me and john then become the
> >> > "apples board. The real question
> >> > >in
> >> > > > >>> most
> >> > > > >>> cases would be are you a PITA and
> >> > worth it
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> 3) there is a question about a
> >> > wiki(ben), we tried it once but
> >> > >let's
> >> > > > >>> try again, it could have broad
> >> > applies
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>>
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