[Rhodes22-list] Leland a reply about list content...

Fri Jan 2 18:28:59 EST 2009

Herb,

I've rather enjoyed this family feud. They always happen near the holidays.  Never mind that all these voices who remind us to "love all, serve all" remain ignorant that many of us in real life have family members who are "red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight", yet they feel compelled to preach the party line about harmony.

Rummy started this latest feud.  He's the biggest hypocrite of all. I'd like to see this list survive in whatever form, but, this forum as the last refuge of free speech is under attack - if not already dead.  Stan has weighed-in, he seems to like the free speech forum his boat inspired.  But, never mind, others know better what is best for us.

Yes indeed, the delete key is too much trouble.  It's so much better to stifle the first amendment through whatever means rather than defend free speech, especially when searching for unbiased news is so much trouble.  Yeah, yeah, I know - you just want to read about one specific sailboat and sailing in general.  Stan (who is Stan?) is just some guy in the plastics business.  Nothing to see here folks!  Keep moving.

Brad

--- On Fri, 1/2/09, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leland a reply about list content...
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 4:58 PM

Sorry Mary, I disagree.

No one's "time" is being taken if they don't read the
message. At least, 
not much. It takes very little time to hit the delete key.
The "voice" would only "permeate the list" when someone
reads what they 
wrote. This is NOT speaking. It's reading, and writing. For something on 
this list to be heard, someone needs to read it.

I suspect that through the loss of Bill, you folks will see a lot fewer 
posts, and most definitely will see fewer answers of substance about 
sailing questions.

Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> Ed,
> It is not just the newbies saying the tone of the 
> list has got to change. It is some of us who have 
> been around here from close to the beginning.
>
> Politics were once OK. If you had suggested we 
> ban politics when we switched off of Sailnet I'd 
> have said it wasn't necessary. Now it seems 
> politics can't be discussed with belittling the 
> beliefs of a lot of people. There has been 
> ugliness and disrespect from both sides the 
> political fence and some very nasty things said 
> by some list members about other list members. I 
> know we always said "bar" but the bar is in sorry 
> need a bit of regulation when folks are hitting 
> each other over the head with their political 
> beliefs. I don't go to a bar to have my time 
> taken up by some tiresome evangelist who is 
> constantly telling me or my friends how stupid 
> they are. Yes I could relegate them to the trash 
> bin but their voices were still permeating the 
> list and affecting everybody. Besides even the 
> most political of our posters have made real 
> contributions to other topics (including sailing) 
> I'm not in favor of banning anyone unless they 
> can't behave themselves in the bar.
>
> I disagree with you that the old-timers who have 
> left have left because they were no longer the 
> center of attention. If I had left last week or 
> last month it would have been because I was 
> thoroughly disgusted with the way people were 
> attacking each others ideas. I know from meeting 
> a lot of these folks that they are not that way 
> in person. I like to see the list more reflective 
> of that. If it takes a ban or moratorium on 
> political posts or a revision of the charter so 
> be it or some sort of moderation so be it. I 
> don't know what will solve the problem. I don't 
> know that the list will survive this even with 
> changes. I just know that if it continued the way 
> it was going I wouldn't be long in following Fred out the door.
>
> Ed, if you want a party/meeting in Edenton you 
> have to find someone who thinks its a great idea 
> to work on it. I think it's a great idea. I might 
> be able to come or even help but right now I 
> can't organize it. All of the get-togethers that 
> we've had have been serendipitous. It takes a 
> bunch of people thinking it's a great idea at a 
> time when someone has the time and energy to make 
> it happen. New blood is always helpful in that 
> regard. BTW, I don't seem to have the date - I 
> tried searching the archives but couldn't find it.
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
> At 12:20 PM 1/2/2009, you wrote:
>   
>> Lee, Thena's history of this forum is only half 
>> complete.  The original group moved off the 
>> Sailnet list for several reasons to include 
>> extraneous subjects.  On the old list that was 
>> limited to sailing topics, it was tiring and 
>> redundant to see post, âEURoeTest to see if list is 
>> workingâEUR?.  One of the chief culprits of those 
>> posts is still making music. The Political stuff 
>> was instigated by a reader from North 
>> Carolina.  I suspect that he did so just to 
>> agitate the congregation.  And he still does it, 
>> just not as much. We had one member who got to 
>> using foul language so much that he was 
>> excommunicated.  What has appeared on the Rhodes 
>> List for the past few months happened four and 
>> eight years ago.  The original congregation said 
>> barroom not living room.  Now we have new 
>> congregants who bought the house next to the 
>> airport runway wanting the airplanes to go 
>> away.  I would suggest that a couple of old 
>> timers have left because they are no longer the 
>> center of the party.  No body was stroking their 
>> egos anymore, but rather confronting them.  Mary 
>> Lou suggested the Chesapeake Rhodies were due 
>> for a party.  It has been suggested in the past, 
>> but nothing ever done about meeting in 
>> Edenton.  In a few weeks there will be another 
>> birthday that would be appropriate for a winter 
>> wingding.  The airport is right across the 
>> street from General Boats. Those guys with 
>> airplanes could even fly in!  Mary Lou should 
>> have the date somewhere? My two cents worth, Ed 
>> K See if this attachment comes thru... 
>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p21254293/combo%25235.exe 
>> combo%235.exe Or this one from 2001: 
>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p21254293/day_o.mp3 
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