[Rhodes22-list] Leland a reply about list content.../apology to michael
elle
watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 3 10:34:51 EST 2009
Michael,
I just read this post & apologize for continuing something you wanted dropped.
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Fri, 1/2/09, michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:
> From: michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leland a reply about list content...
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 11:51 PM
> Herb he left the same reason all people leave, he was not
> enjoying his time
> here. it really that simple. Also Thank You for the
> forbearance over the
> last couple of days and if I could "one more
> favor", can we lets this drop?
> -mjm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Herb Parsons
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:38 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leland a reply about list
> content...
>
> I don't know that I would say I "enjoyed" it,
> but I have found it
> interesting. Maybe we're both reaching the age where
> "interesting" is
> synonymous with "enjoyable"...
>
> Anyway. Most of the harping seems to be about causticity;
> however, Rummy
> didn't leave over causticity, or at least that
> wasn't the camel back
> breaking straw. It was over the "racist" posting
> of the "Magic Negro".
> Unfortunately, racism is in the eye of the beholder, so in
> reality, he
> left because of his views, not Bill's (who was the one
> that posted the
> link).
>
> I didn't find the parody racist. I've expressed my
> views on why it
> wasn't, and did so calmly, but apparently that
> wasn't satisfactory to
> some. Sad.
>
> Here's what I DO find racist. Seems all of the powers
> that be in the
> "name a new senator from Illinois" debacle have
> agreed, it should be
> another black man.
>
> From Dictionary.com:
> rac·ism
> n.
> 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human
> character or
> ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
> 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
>
> (Note #2 above)
>
>
> brad haslett wrote:
> > Herb,
> >
> > I've rather enjoyed this family feud. They always
> happen near the
> holidays. Never mind that all these voices who remind us
> to "love all,
> serve all" remain ignorant that many of us in real
> life have family members
> who are "red and yellow, black and white, they are
> precious in his sight",
> yet they feel compelled to preach the party line about
> harmony.
> >
> > Rummy started this latest feud. He's the biggest
> hypocrite of all. I'd
> like to see this list survive in whatever form, but, this
> forum as the last
> refuge of free speech is under attack - if not already
> dead. Stan has
> weighed-in, he seems to like the free speech forum his boat
> inspired. But,
> never mind, others know better what is best for us.
> >
> > Yes indeed, the delete key is too much trouble.
> It's so much better to
> stifle the first amendment through whatever means rather
> than defend free
> speech, especially when searching for unbiased news is so
> much trouble.
> Yeah, yeah, I know - you just want to read about one
> specific sailboat and
> sailing in general. Stan (who is Stan?) is just some guy
> in the plastics
> business. Nothing to see here folks! Keep moving.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> > From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leland a reply about list
> content...
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 4:58 PM
> >
> > Sorry Mary, I disagree.
> >
> > No one's "time" is being taken if they
> don't read the
> > message. At least,
> > not much. It takes very little time to hit the delete
> key.
> > The "voice" would only "permeate the
> list" when someone
> > reads what they
> > wrote. This is NOT speaking. It's reading, and
> writing. For something on
> > this list to be heard, someone needs to read it.
> >
> > I suspect that through the loss of Bill, you folks
> will see a lot fewer
> > posts, and most definitely will see fewer answers of
> substance about
> > sailing questions.
> >
> >
> > Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> >
> >> Ed,
> >> It is not just the newbies saying the tone of the
> >> list has got to change. It is some of us who have
> >> been around here from close to the beginning.
> >>
> >> Politics were once OK. If you had suggested we
> >> ban politics when we switched off of Sailnet
> I'd
> >> have said it wasn't necessary. Now it seems
> >> politics can't be discussed with belittling
> the
> >> beliefs of a lot of people. There has been
> >> ugliness and disrespect from both sides the
> >> political fence and some very nasty things said
> >> by some list members about other list members. I
> >> know we always said "bar" but the bar is
> in sorry
> >> need a bit of regulation when folks are hitting
> >> each other over the head with their political
> >> beliefs. I don't go to a bar to have my time
> >> taken up by some tiresome evangelist who is
> >> constantly telling me or my friends how stupid
> >> they are. Yes I could relegate them to the trash
> >> bin but their voices were still permeating the
> >> list and affecting everybody. Besides even the
> >> most political of our posters have made real
> >> contributions to other topics (including sailing)
> >> I'm not in favor of banning anyone unless they
>
> >> can't behave themselves in the bar.
> >>
> >> I disagree with you that the old-timers who have
> >> left have left because they were no longer the
> >> center of attention. If I had left last week or
> >> last month it would have been because I was
> >> thoroughly disgusted with the way people were
> >> attacking each others ideas. I know from meeting
> >> a lot of these folks that they are not that way
> >> in person. I like to see the list more reflective
> >> of that. If it takes a ban or moratorium on
> >> political posts or a revision of the charter so
> >> be it or some sort of moderation so be it. I
> >> don't know what will solve the problem. I
> don't
> >> know that the list will survive this even with
> >> changes. I just know that if it continued the way
> >> it was going I wouldn't be long in following
> Fred out the door.
> >>
> >> Ed, if you want a party/meeting in Edenton you
> >> have to find someone who thinks its a great idea
> >> to work on it. I think it's a great idea. I
> might
> >> be able to come or even help but right now I
> >> can't organize it. All of the get-togethers
> that
> >> we've had have been serendipitous. It takes a
> >> bunch of people thinking it's a great idea at
> a
> >> time when someone has the time and energy to make
> >> it happen. New blood is always helpful in that
> >> regard. BTW, I don't seem to have the date - I
>
> >> tried searching the archives but couldn't find
> it.
> >>
> >> Happy New Year!
> >>
> >> Mary Lou
> >> 1991 R22 Fretless
> >> Rock Hall, MD
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 12:20 PM 1/2/2009, you wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Lee, Thena's history of this forum is only
> half
> >>> complete. The original group moved off the
> >>> Sailnet list for several reasons to include
> >>> extraneous subjects. On the old list that was
>
> >>> limited to sailing topics, it was tiring and
> >>> redundant to see post, âEURoeTest to see if
> list is
> >>> workingâEUR?. One of the chief culprits of
> those
> >>> posts is still making music. The Political
> stuff
> >>> was instigated by a reader from North
> >>> Carolina. I suspect that he did so just to
> >>> agitate the congregation. And he still does
> it,
> >>> just not as much. We had one member who got to
>
> >>> using foul language so much that he was
> >>> excommunicated. What has appeared on the
> Rhodes
> >>> List for the past few months happened four and
>
> >>> eight years ago. The original congregation
> said
> >>> barroom not living room. Now we have new
> >>> congregants who bought the house next to the
> >>> airport runway wanting the airplanes to go
> >>> away. I would suggest that a couple of old
> >>> timers have left because they are no longer
> the
> >>> center of the party. No body was stroking
> their
> >>> egos anymore, but rather confronting them.
> Mary
> >>> Lou suggested the Chesapeake Rhodies were due
> >>> for a party. It has been suggested in the
> past,
> >>> but nothing ever done about meeting in
> >>> Edenton. In a few weeks there will be another
>
> >>> birthday that would be appropriate for a
> winter
> >>> wingding. The airport is right across the
> >>> street from General Boats. Those guys with
> >>> airplanes could even fly in! Mary Lou should
> >>> have the date somewhere? My two cents worth,
> Ed
> >>> K See if this attachment comes thru...
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p21254293/combo%25235.exe
> >>> combo%235.exe Or this one from 2001:
> >>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p21254293/day_o.mp3
>
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> >>>
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