[Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List/update
elle
watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 10 12:31:47 EST 2009
Herb,
i have been preoccupied ;^) lately...so now on my first day back at work at the marina (3.5 hrs & NOOOO customers,) I've been able to skim back thru all the posts I'd missed ...
You said the following:
>I can't help but notice that the only
>ones she blows the whistle on are the guys on the right.
Sorry if that is true...I try to be an 'equal opportunity 'monitor. I really don't pay too much attention to 'left' or 'right' but only to the argument...and the tone thereof.
I could do better in the future...except a number of boats have left the harbor.....;^(
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 12:21 PM
Ben,
Why would that "help"? If you feel you're "dominating"
the conversation
(I certainly don't feel that way), just post less. But your posts are
certainly not edging anyone out.
Why were you "shocked" by my response to Elle? You know I'm
bombastic,
so THAT shouldn't have shocked you. Elle's a big girl (figuratively, no
offense Elle), she wants to play with the boys, she can expect to get a
little bruised every now and then. Frankly, while the "playground
monitor" symbol has some merit, I can't help but notice that the only
ones she blows the whistle on are the guys on the right. Folks love a
fair teacher, even a strict one; but one who has her pets is annoying,
one who regularly targets a particular group even more so. The
playground monitor didn't blow her whistle when I was called (outright)
a racist. She didn't calmly tell the little boy that was pouting and
threatening to leave that if he calls the boys names, they may call him
names back. I could call up other analogies, but you and she are smart
folks, I think you get it.
YOU, I'm sure, are disappointed that Bill and Brad are so completely
unrepentant. What you fail to see is that I, and I'm sure they, are
disappointed that YOU are so unrepentant. The parody that stirred all
this nonsense up was NOT racist. And we, or at least I, am offended that
you try to make make it out so, and in the process imply that I (and
those that SEE the humor) are racist. My biggest disappointment is that
I do not have the glib tongue or debating ability to make YOU (and
others like you) see that the racism was displayed when the original
writer of the editorial in the LA times explained for the world to see
why whitey was supporting the "magic negro". I found the original
article disgusting. You did not. I don't understand why.
I don't think your solution is a solution at all. There are plenty of
libs in the world, and the vacuum you leave behind will most undoubtedly
be filled with someone that makes less of an attempt to be reasonable in
the discussions. That will be missed. At the same time, even
unreasonable folks are missed. I've never seen Rummy make a reasonable
argument for his dislike of Bush, but his other contributions will be
sorely missed.
Ben Cittadino wrote:
> Ben;
>
> Thanks for the statistical breakdown. I must say it hadn't occurred to
me
> that I was the fourth or fifth most frequent poster.
>
> I have also reviewed the posts since Rummy's resignation, especially
those
> by Bill, Herb and Brad. I was, quite frankly, shocked at Herb's
remarks to
> Elle, and dissappointed that Bill and Brad were so completely unrepentant.
I
> believe I have a solution.
>
> If I leave the list it does two things; one, it solves a chunk of the
> "domination" problem with the reduction in volume; and two, it
leaves Bill,
> Herb and Brad with nothing to do but agree with each other, which is not
as
> much fun as having a debate with someone you disagree with.
>
> So, I'm quitting altogether. There are other ways to get sailing
advice.
> Besides, if I ever have a sailing question, Tootle would just tell me
"check
> the archives" anyway. (joke)
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> Ben C.
>
>
>
> benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>
>> Just for kicks, I did a "group by sender" on my inbox for
this list. I
>> don't think I've deleted anything since August, and I have
nothing from
>> before that. I did a quick scroll to see how many messages we all
send.
>>
>> Herb was just over 900 messages.
>> Brad was somewhere in the 700s.
>> Elle was next (unless I missed someone) in the mid-300s.
>> Ben C. was in the 200s.
>> I either forgot to look for Ed, or forgot how many messages he had.
>> Everyone else that I think of as a frequent poster was around 200 or
less.
>>
>>
>> This was a real quick exercise, because my main objective was to
handicap
>> upcoming college bowl games, so I'm sure there's someone I
missed, but I
>> think the reason we might be losing people is not because of the
contents
>> of
>> the posts, it's that the conversation is being dominated.
>>
>> By the way, happy holidays to everyone. I wish you all the best for
09.
>>
>>
>> Ben S.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 17:20
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>>
>> Elle,
>>
>> I notice that you, and a few others, when actually confronted,
don't
>> ante up.
>>
>> What did I do to "throw water on the others"? I posted a
reasoned
>> response to a bunch of crap about racism. They don't like it. Too
bad.
>> You seem to jump in there anytime someone disagrees with this same
sort
>> of nonsense.
>>
>> I'm opinionated. I don't doubt it.
>> I stand by my views, except when I find their wrong for me. Then I
>> change them.
>>
>> However, I don't resort to the silly name calling until it's
thrown at
>> me first
>>
>> And, I'm not saying for an instant that I don't "cause a
problem".
>> However, in this case I don't see where I did.
>>
>> Bill posted the link. I posted a reasoned response. You apparently,
>> don't like that I did so. Too bad.
>>
>>
>> elle wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, Herb,
>>> Another reasoned and thoughtful response from you. You have such a
way
>>>
>> with words that shows your nature. You make me laugh...I often have
that
>> reaction to .......(don't want to call you names...so fill in your
own,
>> folks.)
>>
>>> And you never cause a problem...it's always the other guy.
>>>
>>> Ya wanna mix it up?
>>>
>>> I taught second grade..I can handle you...But don't care to
exert the
>>>
>> effort.
>>
>>> Read up to Michael's response a few replies above this one.
Take it to
>>>
>> heart...everyone.
>>
>>> elle..
>>>
>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our
sails.
>>>
>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in
Red)
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 1:50 PM
>>>> Elle,
>>>>
>>>> You know what? Kiss off. I did nothing to "throw
>>>> water" on this. Some
>>>> ass on here (and yes, it was ass-like behavior, if you
>>>> don't like it,
>>>> don't play) pulled his favorite "you're the
>>>> bad guy" routine by bringing
>>>> up the racism tag.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen a lot of BS on here the past few days,
>>>> started to spout off,
>>>> and then thought "nah, why bother". However, if
>>>> someone DOES choose to
>>>> "bother", they should expect a response.
>>>> That's what "discussions" are
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> For those of you that simply want a podium to espouse your
>>>> views
>>>> unchallenged, I submit you're in the wrong playground.
>>>>
>>>> I hate the thought of Rummy leaving. But he's a big
>>>> boy, I suspect he
>>>> knows exactly what he's doing by now. (I also suspect
>>>> he's kinda feeling
>>>> a little embarrassed at over-reacting, I know I would).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> elle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, SH*T.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't a girl have some fun (& feed her heart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> & soul) w/out the playground erupting?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Everybody..back in the pool & Herb, Bill & Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> stop throwing water in everyone's faces.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And, please...let me have some fun (;^) before I have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> to come back to earth...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Love ya all...please everyone stay around....
>>>>>
>>>>> elle
>>>>>
>>>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> can adjust our sails.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> (Lady in Red)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, John Lock
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <jlock at relevantarts.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> List
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, "Robert
>>>> Skinner" <Robert at SquirrelHaven.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 12:54 PM
>>>>>> At 11:31 AM 12/29/2008 -0500, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Lock and MJM,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As prime movers in setting up and maintaining
>>>>>>> this list, you enjoy positions of authority
>>>>>>> and respect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doubtful, but thanks for the plug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to see you go, but you should know how this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> works by
>>>>>> now. Most of the traffic is generated by a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> relative few
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> self-important, dick-waving, gas bags and has
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> nothing to do
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> Rhodes 22 or sailing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, we could start banning people and enforcing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> content
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> rules, but
>>>>>> I (for one) don't want to be in THAT hot seat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Mail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> filters and the
>>>>>> delete key should be enough to manage the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Nobody
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> forces
>>>>>> anyone to read the crap and the tools for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> bypassing it are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> simple. If you choose to support a position or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> offer an
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> opinion, you
>>>>>> KNOW what will happen! It's not a surprise
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> any more!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Lock
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>>>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
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