[Rhodes22-list] Cowl Vent
Arthur H. Czerwonky
czerwonky at earthlink.net
Sun Jun 28 19:01:32 EDT 2009
Rick,
Do you carry a sea anchor on the boat?
Re. anchoring in heavy water & wind - whatever works for you. For me, I'd never get on the foredeck in heavy conditions because I can drop the anchor from the cockpit, anchor from the same bow cleat, never leaving the tiller. Try it, it's simple and I feel safer.
I don't envy your experience on the boat today. No fun when the boat is being tossed even without the sails up. The kicker could be working properly, yet be non-functional because it cannot engage the propeller into the water.
Can you remove/install the bimini cover easily or in individual sections? I'd be curious how that works for you.
Chow,
Art
>From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>Sent: Jun 28, 2009 4:56 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowl Vent
>
>Art,
>
>It is not a question of wanting to anchor in adverse conditions, it is
>having to. For instance, today I believed a weekend forecast of 5-15 knot
>winds this afternoon. So I raised the pop top and took off the bimini cover
>before leaving the dock. When I got out there, the wind heeled the boat
>without sails--it was blowing a good 30 knots and from the west rather than
>SW as predicted.
>
>What if the motor didn't start and I couldn't tack home because the furler
>jammed? Our anchors are our last line of defense. Even in the most benign
>conditions, we should practice deploying the anchor the way it was designed
>to be deployed in the worst conditions. That way, it will be second nature
>when things get rough.
>
>As for locker smell, keeping your tackle clean and dry, plus an occasional
>sheet of Bounce, keeps my wife perfectly happy.
>
>Rick
>
>On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Arthur H. Czerwonky <
>czerwonky at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Maybe a reasonable question would be - Why would a prudent skipper want to
>> anchor the boat in the conditions you describe? I wouldn't choose to get
>> out or stay out if I could potentially have this situation. For certain,
>> one of my base requirements for being out is having enough motor reserve to
>> make headway. I understand that conditions along the Maine coast, given a
>> rocky shoreline and periodic serious storm conditions, can be treacherous
>> and I'd be mighty careful about where and when I'd even go out.
>>
>> That said, I anchor out of the cockpit, choose conditions in which I can
>> get the anchor to hold, and therefore have no potential contending with a
>> five foot sea standing on the foredeck, trying to deploy the anchor and,
>> wouldn't you know, the rode gets fouled. Instead I am in the cockpit, near
>> motor and rudder controls, drop the anchor over the side, and pull the rode
>> forward using a line strung through the bow cleat. I feel safer and more in
>> control this way.
>>
>> I do not use the anchor locker for another reason already brought up, the
>> foul odor from the rode. My wife wouldn't find a pleasure in sleeping on
>> the boat with such heavy air, nor would I, and, I like others, want to
>> overnight with her whenever possible
>>
>> Art
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> >Sent: Jun 28, 2009 10:38 AM
>> >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowl Vent
>> >
>> >Jerry,
>> >
>> >That sounds fine for a peaceful inlet. But how would that work when the
>> >motor is almost full out trying to keep the boat into the wind which,
>> along
>> >with five foot waves, is pushing you toward the rocks while you and any
>> crew
>> >have turned green?
>> >
>> >Rick
>> >
>> >On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:14 AM, <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I like to keep my fortress anchor under the starboard seat in a
>> rubbermaid
>> >> container and deploy it off the starboard side,let out all but 20 feet
>> of
>> >> the scope I want out. Then I cleat it and power down on it,let off,and
>> >> then uncleat it , walk the small coil of rode left,around the outside of
>> >> the shrouds to the bow,and cleat it off.
>> >>
>> >> Jerry Lowe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Attached is the best picture I could find that shows how I drape the
>> >> > anchor
>> >> > chain. It doesn't make any noise and I prefer handy to classy
>> looking.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rummy
>> >> >
>> >> > In a message dated 6/27/2009 1:54:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >> > sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
>> >> >
>> >> > OK Rummy, you caught me on one point. I do sometimes lug from the
>> >> > cockpit
>> >> > the" smelly rag" used to wipe down tackle that can't be cleaned by
>> >> > swishing
>> >> > it around in the water. And if admiral complaints of smell from the
>> >> > anchor
>> >> > locker seem likely, I just stuff in a sheet of Bounce (that's not in
>> the
>> >> > admiral, but in the locker.)
>> >> >
>> >> > I've been on a boat that has the anchor chain draped around the
>> anchor.
>> >> > It
>> >> > is pretty noisy in the slightest waves and not the classy look I wish
>> >> to
>> >> > maintain. My cowl collar is removable and, as you can tell from the
>> >> > pictures, the vent frame has not been damaged by passing the chain in
>> >> and
>> >> > out. (Part of my classy look is to maintain sobriety when handling
>> >> > anchor
>> >> > tackle.)
>> >> >
>> >> > As for the venturi effect, I've found the scoop effect more
>> effective.
>> >> > But
>> >> > whatever works best for you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rick
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:42 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Gentleman,
>> >> >> Leave the chain attached to the anchor and drape it around it so it
>> is
>> >> >> always handy. Pulling the chain out of the locker is unnecessary and
>> >> >> creates
>> >> >> wear and tear on the cowl collar. From a scientific standpoint, the
>> >> >> cowl
>> >> > is
>> >> >> designed to work best with it facing away from the wind direction.
>> This
>> >> >> eliminates any water from entering and creates more ventilation.
>> It's
>> >> >> all
>> >> >> based
>> >> >> on the venturi effect. Carrying a plastic basket from the cockpit
>> to
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> bow and connecting it to the anchor chain is a lot less work than
>> >> > trying
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> pull and stuff crap through the cowl vent. All the water and mess
>> from
>> >> > the
>> >> >> anchor line stays in the cockpit and not in the cabin. Many areas
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> have nice sandy bottoms so the anchor line will start to smell just
>> >> >> like
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> bottom conditions. Your admiral will not appreciate that damp muddy
>> >> > flats
>> >> >> bottom crap smell being in her cabin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rummy
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In a message dated 6/26/2009 7:33:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >> >> sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Lee,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, I use it to store and deploy the rode and chain through the
>> hole.
>> >> > I
>> >> >> think taking the locker in and out would be worse than retrieving
>> >> >> tackle
>> >> >> from the cockpit.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I disconnect the chain for storage. Since my hand just fits
>> through
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> hole, and I'm afraid of breaking my wrist during a rock 'n roll, I
>> use
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> messenger line tied to the cap to start pulling stuff out. I'm
>> >> > re-posting
>> >> >> pictures from a few months ago of how I do that. You can't see
>> the
>> >> >> mono-filament messenger line very well, but it is tied to the big
>> loop
>> >> > in
>> >> >> the rode.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To dry out the locker, point the scoop into the wind when there is
>> no
>> >> >> water
>> >> >> in the wind. I generally use a cap when there is no need to
>> ventilate
>> >> > the
>> >> >> locker or v-berth. Also, if you want to ventilate the v-berth when
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> wind
>> >> >> is wet--no problem because the water will just collect in the
>> locker
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> dry
>> >> >> out later.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rick
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rick,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Do you use the anchor rode locker? If so, what technique do you
>> use
>> >> > to
>> >> >> get
>> >> >> > the rode in and out of the locker. I'd prefer to use it as
>> >> >> designed
>> >> > if
>> >> >> > there's some easy way to do it. I even thought about taking the
>> >> > locker
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> > and out with each use but I didn't want to disconnect the anchor
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > rode.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I think someone on this list said that the vent scoop is designed
>> to
>> >> >> face
>> >> >> > aft away from the wind. Mine has always faced forward. Should
>> I
>> >> > turn
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> > around?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Lee
>> >> >> > 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
>> >> >> > Kent Island, MD
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rick-139 wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Cowie,
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The cowl vent should swivel so you can turn it into the wind.
>> Do
>> >> > you
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > > a
>> >> >> > > nylon screen covering the ring? If not, cutting one to fit
>> will
>> >> >> tighten
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > vent plus keep out the bugs.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The vent should ventilate a triangular anchor rode locker under
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> deck.
>> >> >> > > Replacing the cowl vent with a fixed fan would prevent you from
>> >> > using
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > > locker. However, there are some people on the list who prefer
>> to
>> >> > lug
>> >> >> > > their
>> >> >> > > anchor tackle from the cockpit. If you want to join them, the
>> fan
>> >> >> vent
>> >> >> > > will
>> >> >> > > give you better day time ventilation in the the v-berth.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Rick
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:01 PM, cowie
>> >> >> <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> I have a 3" cowl vent on the bow and like the functional
>> quality
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> > >> but
>> >> >> > >> have a couple of questions.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> The cowl vent slips onto a plastic ring that slips into a deck
>> >> >> fitting.
>> >> >> > >> Looks like the plastic ring and cowl vent are removable and
>> can
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> > >> replaced
>> >> >> > >> with a plastic cover that seals the deck opening while the
>> deck
>> >> >> fitting
>> >> >> > >> remains in place. Recently the cowl vent has come loose from
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > plastic
>> >> >> > >> ring. Is the cowl vent supposed to be able to turn around the
>> >> > plastic
>> >> >> > >> ring
>> >> >> > >> in order to face the prevailing wind or is the cowl vent
>> supposed
>> >> > to
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> > >> glued to the plastic ring and the ring is supposed to turn in
>> the
>> >> >> deck
>> >> >> > >> fitting? The cowl vento portion is so loose I worry it might
>> go
>> >> >> > >> overboard.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> I found Nicro makes a 3" solor day/night fan. Has anyone
>> >> >> installed
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> > >> and
>> >> >> > >> can it be easly replaced with the cowl vent? I like the idea
>> of
>> >> >> being
>> >> >> > >> able
>> >> >> > >> to use both options but don't know if they are easily
>> >> > interchangable.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> I also see that Nicro makes a standard 3" screen. Can this be
>> >> >> insterted
>> >> >> > >> while the cowl vent is in place?
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Thanks
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
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