[Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing
Ron Singerman
sail at tds.net
Mon Mar 2 10:28:22 EST 2009
Rummy,
I am assuming that your whisker pole is the Forespar small twistlock 6-12
that WM has in it's catalog. Do you have the trigger on both ends, or the
spike on one end? Thanks...
>>ron<<
S/V Serenity
----- Original Message -----
From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing
> Caesar,
> I am probably one of the most stubborn sailors on this list. I hate having
> stuff on my boat just for the sake of having it. It took me many years
> before I
> broke down and purchased a whisker pole. Having done that I am very happy
> to
> have it stored in my V berth when not being used. It is probably the best
> purchase (not including rum) that I have made. There are many ways to use
> it
> and I'm still learning. It has made the 175 a very useful and dynamic
> sail.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 3/1/2009 9:26:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Thanks guys,
>
> Last Summer was my first sailing season, having acquired the boat in
> early
> May. I sail on a lake and to date more often than not i have experienced
> light winds, winds in which my 175 collapses even when reefed somewhat.
> As you
> may have experienced, it not fun being dead in open water, with no motion
> and
> no shelter. To might delight, my wife insisted that I get bimini.
>
> Next Problem: I am looking for a way to sail on most points of sail, if
> not
> all points of sail in very light air. I have found that poling out the
> 175
> helps a lot on reach to run legs with light winds. Without the pole the
> 175
> collapses on itself.
>
> I have heard from this list that UPS allows you to sail on most points of
> sail in very light air, say from 2-3 mph, and not just on a run. It will
> fill
> out,and not collapse even in a chop, and allow you sail slowly on any
> point
> of sail, even when others are dead in the water.
>
> Is there any lake sailor, or sailor in frequent fickle winds, who can
> help
> me/us get a fair sense of the performance of the UPS on the various
> points of
> sail, and not just on a run in very light air?
>
> Sailing down wind in light air, wing on wing, with the genny poled out is
> a
> lot of fun. Is it Rummy who reminded us that doing the same in a good
> wind
> is close to extreme sailing.
>
> The question again is: will a UPS allow a Rhodes 22 sailor to sail on
> all,
> or most points of sail in winds from, say 2 mph? I am looking for a way
> to
> beat the "dead in the water blues."
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 3:42 PM
>
> Caesar,
>
> ROI = Return On Investment. I haven't found the UPS any better than the
> 175
> genny on any tack other than a run. In fact, the weight of the genny
> lets
> it keep its shape much better than the UPS when you heel away from an
> almost
> dead wind.
>
> Albeit, the UPS is effective and fun on a run in light air. I was once
> first over the finish line by using my UPS. The people on shore said my
> boat looked like a frigate plowing through the fleet. Trouble was, it
> was a
> JAM race and the committee decided against me on a protest, classifying
> the
> UPS as a spinaker rather than a jib and only one jib allowed anywey.
>
> If you do a lot of downwind sailing in light air, consider getting a UPS.
> I
> just haven't encountered those conditions frequent enough since I got
> mine.
> Plus, I hate being DNQ.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Caesar Paul <caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Was does ROI mean?
>>
>> Have you been ever out sailing and there was not enough wind to fill out
>> the genny, and being dead in the water, the UPS got you moving again?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Caesar
>>
>> --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 11:13 AM
>>
>> Since the UPS is mounted inside the fore stay, you need to drop it to
>> effectively use the genny. The exception to effectively using the genny
> is
>> when you wing-on-wing it with the genny.
>>
>> It doesn't make much sense to use the UPS partially furled, so the
> furler
>> is
>> mainly a convenience to deploying and stiking the sail. I'm averse to
>> going
>> out on the bow deck these days and the furler makes it completely
>> possible
>> to manage the sail fully from within the cabin with the pop top up .
>> (You
>> wouldn't want to deploy the UPS anyway when conditions are not
> conducive to
>> sailing with the pop top up.)
>>
>> I've found I can pretty much get to wind speed on a run using the UPS
>> wing-on-wing with the genny that is is poled out. However, I don't
>> think the UPS pulls any better than the 175 genny on a reach in light
>> air.
>>
>> Since I do mainly coastal day sailing, which means my light air sailing
>> is mainly on a reach to sea breezes or coast influenced prevailing
>> winds,
>> there's only a few days each season I get an opportunity to run in
>> light air. All-in-all, I've found the UPS has the lowest ROI of any
>> thousand bucks I've spent on my boat.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:28 PM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > How do most people like to use the ups, always installed with furling
>> > mechanism or manual only when needed?
>> >
>> >
>> > R Orkin wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p22235080/Doyle%2BSails%2B2009%2BRhodes%2B22%2BUPS%
> 2BOffer%2B%25281%2529.pdf
>> > > Doyle+Sails+2009+Rhodes+22+UPS+Offer+%281%29.pdf
>> > >
>> > > If the PDF file is not readable..
>> > > $644 for the Sail + 30 shipping
>> > > Add a Furling Kit
>> > > RWO Continuous line furler
>> > > with control line loop
>> > > and sheets $225
>> > > Contact: Paul Beaudin
>> > > Doyle Sailmakers 225 Fordham Street City Island, NY 10464
>> > > 800-237-4453 Email doylesails at verizon.net
>> > >
>> >
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