[Rhodes22-list] So about the centerboard
Michael D. Weisner
mweisner at ebsmed.com
Fri Mar 20 11:02:40 EDT 2009
I agree with Mary Lou. I do not recall seeing any safety lines used on
slings. That doesn't mean that it is correct or prudent to lift boats
without such devices. How many carpenters use safety goggles when hammering
in a nail? That may be why insurance rates are so high. Of course, if they
drop my R22, it will probably be "totaled" and the settlement would not
cover a replacement. In this case, insured or not, one might be wise to
request safety lines to prevent the possibility of loss.
Mike
s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
From: "Mary Lou Troy" Friday, March 20, 2009 10:51 AM
> Rick,
> Good point though I don't know as I've ever noticed safety lines on
> any of the lifts around here. There are 11 marinas with a Rock Hall
> address though not all have lifts and I haven't been looking.
>
> That being said, we always launch and retrieve our boat ourselves
> from the trailer - well almost always - we did have them haul it once
> when Hurricane Isabel approached.
>
> These folks are real pros though . While they don't haul boats as
> small as ours very often there are some 26 footers that they handle
> regularly. As it was they moved it all over the yard and Fred climbed
> up on it a couple times both to show them the centerboard controls
> (hidden in plain sight) and to replace the pennant. It seemed very
> secure. Someone else I showed the picture to gave them high marks for
> using the pads to protect the finish on the hull.
>
> A boat is a large heavy object. I'm always in awe watching them move
> really big boats around. I'll keep your advice in mind - especially
> if we ever have to have it hauled with a coat of grass on the bottom
> like we had last year
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
> At 10:23 AM 3/20/2009, you wrote:
>>Interesting discussion, but may I diverge a little? Both boats portrayed
>>are held up by slings without safety lines between them. Maybe that's not
>>so bad in the Spring, but with a bottom covered with slippery gunk during
>>haul-out, the boat could slip out.
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>> > Rob,
>> > What John had to say about the position of a centerboard would apply
>> > to any board including the board known as the "diamond board". As
>> > near as I can tell, Stan's advice about the diamond board has to do
>> > with the shape of the critter. It is possible to lower it far enough
>> > (by moving the knot on the upper part of the pennant)so that the
>> > upper part of the board is exposed as it was in the pictures I posted
>> > earlier. In particular see the pictures at:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20090318/78274994/attachment-0001.jpg
>> > and at:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20090318/4e535fe6/attachment.jpg
>> >
>> > If I read what Stan is saying, this upper part of the board is not an
>> > aerodynamic shape and will create excessive drag if exposed. Thus it
>> > is indeed possible to have the board "too far down". I suspect we've
>> > been sailing with the upper part of the board exposed for a long
>> > time. It will be interesting to see if we see any difference in
>> > performance. Of course we've also removed a number of layers of
>> > bottom paint and smoothed the surface some. I'm hoping for good things.
>> >
>> > I'm sure we won't approach the performance of the earlier lighter
>> > weight boats and we still have that heavy motor on the stern.
>> >
>> > Mary Lou
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 12:44 PM 3/19/2009, you wrote:
>> > >So, if you have a center board, should it be fully lowered to be
>> > >most effective? Sounds like the diamond board only should be
>> > >lowered part way. How about a center board? - rob
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Caesar Paul
>> > >Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:28 PM
>> > >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So about the centerboard
>> > >
>> > > BUT, I can kick his ass on any given
>> > >day. :) Rum Runner is just one fast boat. It must be da rum.
>> > >
>> > >Rummy,
>> > >
>> > >It must be the captain; rum is additional weight.
>> > >
>> > >Caesar
>> > >
>> > >--- On Thu, 3/19/09, R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >From: R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So about the centerboard
>> > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > >Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 6:30 AM
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Mary Lou,
>> > >
>> > >I have had enough experience handling and working on the diamond board
>> > >to
>> > >assure you, that is what you have. The old style board would come down
>> > much
>> > >farther. Stan was able to lower the center of effort (weight) by
>> > >increasing it's
>> > >mass and surface area all at the same time. As to whether or knot it
>> > >works
>> > as
>> > >advertised is up for debate. Capt. Bob Keller and I have sailed side
>> > >by
>> > side
>> > >with the same exact boat with the exception of the board difference.
>> > >Since
>> > >pointing ability and speed are dependent on so many factors, it is
>> > impossible
>> > >to say one is better than the other. BUT, I can kick his ass on any
>> > >given
>> > >day. :) Rum Runner is just one fast boat. It must be da rum.
>> > >
>> > >Rummy
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >In a message dated 3/19/2009 8:52:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > >mtroy at atlanticbb.net writes:
>> > >
>> > >How 'bout that. Only took me 11 years to find out.
>> > >
>> > >Question is, I still seem to recall a discussion on here though I
>> > >couldn't find it in my archives or in my very cursory search of the
>> > >list archives that the diamond board was a mid-90s option. Fretless
>> > >is a 1991, recycled in 1998. I don't think Stan did any work on the
>> > >centerboard at that time other than painting it and replacing the
>> > >pennant. There is some previous owner work on the centerboard trunk.
>> > >Wonder if the centerboard is original to the boat or a later
>> > >replacement or........ ????
>> > >
>> > >Rummy, are you 100% positive about the newer and more efficient part?
>> > >
>> > >Mary Lou
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >At 08:03 AM 3/19/2009, you wrote:
>> > > >Mary Lou,
>> > > >Fretless is equipped with the newer more efficient diamond board.
>> > > >100%
>> > > >positive.
>> > > >
>> > > >Rummy
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >In a message dated 3/18/2009 8:02:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > > >mtroy at atlanticbb.net writes:
>> > > >
>> > > >So all this time I've been saying we have a conventional
>> > > >centerboard
>> > on
>> > > >Fretless because she was built in 1991 and there was a discussion
>> > > >here
>> > at
>> > > >some point saying that the diamond boards didn't start until the
>> > > >mid-nineties. We've never had the centerboard out of the boat
>> > > because of an
>> > > >unconventional seal on the centerboard cap. We decided that this
>> > > >year
>> > we
>> > > >would have the yard paint the bottom. We replaced the centerboard
>> > pennant
>> > > >while the boat was up in slings. I took these pictures. What do
>> > > you think?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Mary Lou
>> > > >
>> > > >1991 R22 Fretless
>> > > >
>> > > >Rock Hall, MD
>> > > >
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