[Rhodes22-list] Now electric motor lift

Saroj Gilbert saroj at pathfind.net
Sun Nov 15 09:27:21 EST 2009 

Very well put, Bob.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Keller" <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now electric motor lift


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> Caesar,
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> Since my name was invoked, I'll weigh in.  I still harbor some thoughts of 
> owning a bigger boat.  What is keeping me from that is not money - it is 
> practicality.  I think a larger boat would be great because you could go 
> on extended trips - weeks, months - and be very comfortable.  Sounds 
> great, but I can't get that much time off work to do that until I retire 
> so all a large boat would do for me is increase my cost of ownership and 
> tie me to my home waters.  With the R-22 I have a boat that I can go on 
> one-week trips almost anywhere I want to trailer it and be very 
> comfortable.  I say one week trips because we have determined that one 
> week is about the max for us to live on the boat.  After a week, we both 
> are ready to move ashore.  But for that week, the R-22 is very 
> comfortable, sails great and we can trailer it with ease.  We can take it 
> to South Florida for some great sailing trips that would otherwise be 
> impossible.
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> I have considered a larger trailerable boat but my conclusion after 
> looking at all of them is that they are either too difficult and too large 
> to trailer with ease, or they employ water ballast (which has some 
> potential issues), or both.  I've considered the MacGregor, the Seaward, 
> the Hunter Edge and the Telstar 28 Trimaran.  (The Telstar is a pretty 
> awesome boat, but it is large and heavy.)  These each have their good 
> points, but they are all much larger and much heavier than the Rhodes and 
> bring with them many complications with trailering them.  I've got my 
> trailering with my R-22 down pretty well and it is a simple process (after 
> 8 years of practice).  These others would be multiple degrees of 
> complications by comparison.
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> I would also love to have a larger boat, but again if you don't have 
> months off work and a willing partner to take months-long trips, it will 
> probably just sit at the dock.  After I am retired I might get a 35' 
> Beneteau or Pacific Seacraft or something similar but then again maybe 
> not.  The cost of ownership would be 3-4 times what I have now, but I 
> could go off on voyages for months at a time.  Not sure yet but will have 
> to see when the time comes.  If my wife does not want to go off for months 
> at a time on sailboat trips then I'll just stay with the R-22.
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> Right now I put my sailboat in the water from Oct-Dec and then again from 
> March-June and in the summer use a powerboat (too hot to sail in the 
> summer in S. Georgia) for trips to the beach.  If I had a larger boat I 
> would be paying dockage year-round plus annual bottom jobs.
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> Last point is regarding the motor - I took Rummy's advice and bought an 8 
> hp Tohatsu - 2 stroke, electric start with an alternator.  Only weighs 
> 50-something lbs.  The motor is extremely reliable as it starts every 
> time.  It's loud and uses more fuel but it is dependable.  With 6 gallon 
> fuel tanks, I can motor for 8 hours on a tank and usually have two tanks 
> on board.  Not an issue even when I have to motor a lot on occasion.  Also 
> the coast of GA has very strong currents and 8-9 foot tides so it is a 
> challenge to handle this with a small OB motor.  The 8hp does a pretty 
> good job with this - I don't believe that a 9.9hp would be any better at 
> all so this motor is a great choice for this boat.
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> And that's all I have to say about that...
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> Bob K
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>> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:19:04 -0500
>> From: czerwonky at earthlink.net
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now electric motor lift
>>
>> Caesar,
>>
>> Totally agree with Rummy. This boat is a dream to sail and maintain - it 
>> also has alot of additional capability with dollars and effort. You have 
>> the perfect option for best 'real' sailing, even pocket cruising 
>> experience. Ask Bob Keller sometime.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> >Sent: Nov 11, 2009 11:53 AM
>> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now electric motor lift
>> >
>> >Caesar,
>> >Beware of the bigger boat envy. I know many people that have been on the
>> >list that made the move to bigger boats. Many came back to the Rhodes 
>> >and the
>> > others wish they could. Sail with friends if they have bigger boats, 
>> > but I
>> > like to single hand whenever possible. Bigger boats require crew and 
>> > then
>> > you are stuck sailing on their schedules or not sailing at all. That's 
>> > why
>> >you see many bigger boats that stay tied up at the dock year after year
>> >and never go out.
>> >
>> >Rummy
>> >
>> >
>> >In a message dated 11/10/2009 5:22:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com writes:
>> >
>> >Thanks Rummy.
>> >For two more horsepower than you, I'm carrying approximately 50 more lbs
>> >with electric start. Hmm.
>> >
>> >My sailing skill and practice presently does not allow me to recognize 
>> >the
>> >difference that extra weight makes. Once the boat is moving because of
>> >the wind I'm happy. If and when I start racing however, it may.
>> >
>> >I hope by the time I"m ready for a new motor, I'm also ready for a much
>> >bigger boat.
>> >
>> >Caesar
>> >Gentle Breeze
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >________________________________
>> >From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> >
>> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 1:40:00 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now electric motor lift
>> >
>> >Caesar,
>> >The motor is a 8 BHP Tohatsu, 2 stroke without electric start. It's easy
>> >to
>> >start with just half of a pull. It's slightly louder than a four stroke
>> >and burns a little more gas, but I love it. Two thirds throttle will 
>> >bring
>> >the boat to hull speed around 6 mph. I have never been at a lack for
>> >power,
>> >even in high winds and heavy waves.
>> >
>> >Rummy
>> >
>> >
>> >In a message dated 11/9/2009 3:48:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com writes:
>> >
>> >Rummy,
>> >
>> >48 lbs! What's the horsepower of that motor, and how well does it move
>> >Rum Runner? On a lake you don't have current to deal with, but at 48 lbs
>> >you
>> >are making us with 100 lbs plus motor think we are carrying excess wait
>> >and horsepower.
>> >
>> >Caesar
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >________________________________
>> >From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 10:05:01 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now electric motor lift
>> >
>> >Lee,
>> >>From the photos I don't see anything that looks unusual. You may have
>> >found
>> >the answer yourself. An electric winch motor draws a lot of amperage.
>> >Your
>> >battery needs to be fully charged and fresh for it to provide sufficient
>> >power to operate the lift. I don't see that 135 lbs would be to much
>> >weight
>> >for the lift motor, but then my Tohatsu weighs in at a hefty 48 pounds.
>> >Try
>> >spraying a little WD40 on the underside of the lift belt.
>> >
>> >Rummy
>> >
>> >
>> >In a message dated 11/9/2009 10:38:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>> >
>> >http://old.nabble.com/file/p26268434/At%2BEase%2B10-5-09%2B020.jpg
>> >
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