[Rhodes22-list] Flag placement?

Wed Nov 18 16:26:12 EST 2009

Sometimes no flag etiquette is better than flag etiquette.  Recently a
Canadian boat joined my club's annual open invitational race flying the
Maple Leaf astern.  The Coasties stopped and boarded her right in the middle
of the race for not flying the US Ensign in courtesy.

Turns out, the Canadians were right.  They had sailed straight to the
starting line without setting foot on shore.  But how do you protest the
Coast Guard?

Now when Canadian boats come, they don't fly any flag and nobody bothers
them.

Rick

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:25 PM, BenCittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Guys;
>
> If you read through the attached story from the NYTimes you will see that a
> dispute over naval flag etiquette almost scuttled a diplomatic visit. The
> story is only a week old.
>
> "
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/world/asia/10vietnam.html?sq=navy%20vietnam&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=print
> ">
>
> BenCittadino
> s/v Susan Kay
>
>
>
>
> Caesar (and Rummy),
>
> If you see a huge passenger ferry on Lk Hartwell, drink more rum.  It will
> pass ...
>
> BTW, many years ago, the Pt Jeff / Bridgeport Ferry struck a sailboat
> (major
> damage) near Pt Jeff harbor, just to prove that they had the right of way.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> From: "Caesar Paul" Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:33 PM
> Ok Rummy, behave yourself. When you see a huge passenger ferry bearing down
> on your stern, you will know that your are in the middle of the traffic
> lane, yellow line or not.
>
> It's looks more intimidating than it really is.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 2:43:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flag placement?
>
> What,
> What's a traffic lane? I don't believe I've ever seen any lanes marked off
> on Lake Hartwell. Don't the waves screw up the painted lane markings?
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 11/17/2009 9:39:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> dwbrad at gmail.com writes:
>
> Ben, you could use the blocks on your spreader to raise a radar
> reflector if you were sailing in or near in traffic lanes.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 11/17/09, BenCittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > My boat came from Stan with a nice little pulley set-up on the starboard
> > spreader, but I have been hesitant to fly the US ensign from there
> because
> > it is really not "proper". The US ensign goes on the stern staff, or back
> > stays as folks have noted. I did see a nice "Mt Gay Rum" burgee once and
> > thought it would be cool to fly that on the spreader (I don't belong to a
> > yacht club). I did think of Rummy when I saw it but since it was in
> Jersey
> > on a power boat I figured it couldn't be him. Do we have an R-22 Fleet
> > burgee I could fly? Anybody have a suggestion for my use of the pulley on
> > the spreader (other than to hang pirates)??
> >
> > BenCittadino
> > s/v Susan Kay
> >
> >
> >
> > david.walker5 wrote:
> >>
> >> There is nothing meaningless about the US Yacht Ensign. It, along with
> the
> >> USPS ensign are completely apprppopriate for US boat.
> >>
> >> The US flag from the spreader is known as a courtesy flag. Any boat in
> >> foreign waters flys the flag of the local country from the stbd
> spreader
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:10:04
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flag placement?
> >>
> >> Greg,
> >>
> >> You don't even need micro blocks. Just cut a piece of the plastic
> tubing
> >> used to protect your sails from chafing on the stays to the vertical
> >> length
> >> of your flag, then tie the flag to the port back stay with plastic cable
> >> ties at each end of the tubing. Use another piece of tubing to slide
> and
> >> support the flag-tubing assembly up the stay a few feet.
> >>
> >> I presume you will be flying a standard US flag to show both boat and
> crew
> >> are American. If you fly a yacht ensign, it is meaningless.
> >>
> >> BTW, flying the US flag from the starboard spreader indicates the boat,
> >> crew
> >> or both are not American; but you have registered with Homeland
> Security.
> >> If you are not registered, it gives the Coast Guard good reason to
> board.
> >> Those of us who sail near what was once the longest fortified border in
> >> the
> >> world learn that lesson pretty quick.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Greg PA <baywindgroup at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I want to have a better way to fly a flag. I have looked in the
> archives,
> >>> but
> >>> really don't want to drill a hole in a spreader. I saw that Bob has his
> >>> on
> >>> the backstay of Ruba and that looked like a good spot. With the mast
> down
> >>> it
> >>> will be easy to put a micro blocks high on each stay. Any problems with
> >>> this
> >>> or any better ideas?
> >>>
> >>> -----
> >>> Greg PA
> >>> s/v Serenity
> >>> 79 Rhodes 22
> >>> North East MD
> >>>
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