[Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail for Rhodes 22

Mon Apr 26 20:46:36 EDT 2010

I have a 135% genoa (came with boat); have never felt a need for a bigger 
one.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Culp" <dculp at hsbtx.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail for Rhodes 22

> Joe:
>
> I recently decided that the 175% was a little too large for my
> conditions which are no rail meat and lots of beating into moderate or
> greater winds.  I purchased a new 135% genoa from Stan which I have
> not installed yet and decided to combine it with the UPS sail for
> lighter wind conditions.
>
> The UPS sail has a luff line built into it and the belly of the sail
> is cut much higher then a normal jib.  I guess you could install it on
> a normal furler but I don't think it would make a good permanent jib
> sail.  This type of sail is not designed to be partially furled-it's
> either all in or all out.  It should not be flown inside the shrouds
> either because of the large belly which will not furl properly.  My
> experiments with it so far show that I loose at least 5 degrees of
> pointing ability maybe a little more when going upwind.  However, when
> the winds are too light to use a jib it is a good trade off.
>
> Also, Doyle says the max wind speed close hauled is 8 kts.  With that
> high belly there is going to be a lot of heeling moment close hauled
> if the wind picks up.  Last but not least, one of the limitations of
> the 175% is that it is real heavy with all the Sunbrella sewn on it.
> The UPS has no Sunbrella or other sun protection and the sun is going
> to eat it up.  You would have to have a sleeve to deploy over it if
> permanently mounted.
>
> I would say that it is much better to keep a standard jib or genoa
> installed on our boats and to use the UPS when conditions warrant much
> like you would an asymmetrical or standard spinnaker sail as an add-on
> to your inventory.
>
> Please Note:  I am not saying the 175% is not a good sail for the
> boat.  The places and way that most people sail the Rhodes 22, it is
> probably the best choice.  However, in my particular situation and
> conditions a smaller jib is better since the 175% stays rolled in
> 90+ % of the time.  When the wind drops in my area then it is usually
> too light to fly the 175% and up until now, I was having to deploy the
> "no wind" sail made by Honda.  Not anymore with the new UPS.
>
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:27:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: DownHill <jadoucet at snet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail for Rhodes 22
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>
> David,
>
> I have moved my boat to an area where the 175 Genoa that came with my 2004
> rebuilt Rhodes is much too heavy for the typical wind.
>
> Couldn't one just replace the 175 sail with the Doyle UPS sail & keep the
> existing furling system?
>
> I'll be interested in your sailing experience, especially close hauled and
> partially furled with the jib sheet led through the inner rigging points 
> on
> the boat.
>
> I don't doubt that the UPS is superior off The wind.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> David Culp-3 wrote:
>>
>> I just got a new UPS sail from Doyle for my boat.  I have used it only
>> one time, but I was quite pleased with the results as I would have
>> been motoring instead of sailing in the light wind conditions.
>>
>> There is a good discussion of the UPS for the Rhodes on rhodes22.org .
>>  However, that information needs to be updated.  So here it goes:
>>
>> The new kit price is $ 1075.00 which is $ 100.00 more then the order
>> form states.
>>
>> The kit includes:
>>
>> UPS sail for the Rhodes 22 in customer chosen colors.
>> Harken furling kit # 3029 which includes the furler and top swivel.
>> Sheet line and furling line cut in the appropriate lengths.
>>
>> All these items are great and exactly what you need.  The kit also
>> includes a halyard restrainer which in reality is merely a pad-eye and
>> a couple of pop rivets.  The deck-eye is just a plain old eye-bolt.  I
>> was expecting something different in regards to these two items and
>> had the discussion with Doyle in NY about them.  Doyle tells me that
>> other Rhodes sailors are using these two items quite successfully, so
>> to each his own I guess.  The pad-eye will work, but it is not a
>> formal halyard restrainer and I ordered Harken # 944 ($45.00) to use
>> instead because it has a roller sheave.  And do we really have Rhodes
>> owners mounting eye-bolts with no plates on their decks?  Good luck on
>> that.  I have ordered something different with a top and backing
>> plate.
>>
>> In addition, I added a snap-shackle to the bottom of the furler unit
>> so that it can be easily disconnected from the deck and a U shaped
>> shackle to the top of the furler to connect it to the tack of the
>> sail.  The provided top swivel mounts directly to the head of the
>> sail, so nothing additional needed there.  I already discussed the
>> halyard restrainer and with the IMF, I had a spare halyard available,
>> so I didn't have to add one.  Lastly, I replaced all the cotter pins
>> on the furling units with cotter rings hoping to prevent torn sails if
>> they get together in the sail bag.
>>
>> Doyle in NY is good to work with and they always respond in a timely
>> manner.  I think the sail is actually cut in Florida and Doyle Florida
>> forgot to ship the hardware with the sail, so there was a delay
>> getting it up and going.
>>
>> Once I get everything installed, I will take some pictures and send
>> them to Rhodes22.org or post them here.  In the meantime, if anyone
>> has any questions so far, feel free to ask.
>>
>> David
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