[Rhodes22-list] Advice on re-routing genoa sheets ??

Tue Aug 10 17:51:18 EDT 2010

Lee,

Where did you find the 258?

Rick

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:15 PM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> The PHRF on our boats is 258 compared to the Catalina 22 with a rating of
> 270.  Your Rhodes is a faster boat but in this race it looks like it had a
> much better captain too--congrats!
>
> "Anything other than the outer position looses a couple of knots of speed."
>
> I agree but not because of the position of the sheets.  I believe you can
> go faster because you can have more sail out and/or your point-of-sail is
> more off the wind.  I think our boats point pretty well but they don't have
> enough weight underwater to provide a lot of opposing pressure to the sails.
>  Boats with deep, heavy keels and big sail plans seem to sail faster into
> the wind.  Our light boats with little wetted surface do better on a broad
> reach or run.
>
> I'm just guessing so if I'm wrong hopefully someone will speak up.
>
> Lee
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cowie
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on re-routing genoa sheets ??
>
> Lee/Jack:
>
> I typically keep my jib sheets outside the shrouds for maximum sail size
> however I do move the sheets to the other two positions in an effort to
> point higher.  Anything other than the outer position looses a couple of
> knots of speed.  I find the easiest way to change the sheet position is to
> furl the jib in all the way, then reach over or thru the pop top and move
> the sheet, then unfurl the jib.  I seem to get about 60 degrees off the wind
> with a full head sail, 120 total.  I can cheat a bit if its blowing hard and
> let the head sail luff, this also lessens the heal angle.  The best I have
> managed in the alternate sheet positions, at lower speed,  is 45 degrees off
> the wind, total 90 degrees.
>
> I came upon a Catalina 22, sailing the same direction sailing upwind toward
> Herrington Harbor South, as I came out of Herrington Harbor North this past
> Sunday afternoon.  I quickly got the outboard stowed and let out full sail.
>  Wind was a steady 9kts with gusts to 11kts.  While the Catalina could point
> about 10 degrees higher than me I outsailed her on several tacks as we made
> our way to the marker at the end of Long Bar, about a mile and a half up
> wind.  It must have taken the Catalina another fifteen minutes to reach the
> same mark.  While I am frustrated with the Rhodes pointing ability I am
> delighted at how she can get up and go in light and  moderate wind.
>
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC  20007
> 202.342.2711
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>
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Leland
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:28 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on re-routing genoa sheets ??
>
>
> Jack,
>
> Glad you asked.
>
> "Is it worth it?"  Absolutely.  It's more important than lowering your
> centerboard, which is also pretty important.  120 degree tacks with your
> sheets run outside of the shrouds is pretty good so your sails and skills
> must not be too baggy.
>
> "Is there a quick and easy method?"  I'm lazy and I rerun my sheets just
> about every time I go out.  Even if I don't need to run the sheets between
> the shrouds for windward performance I'll often get better sail shape if I
> do.  Here's my technique and I hope others chime in with their methods:
>
> If you're singlehandling you'll need to lock the tiller so you can leave
> the
> helm.
>
> Untie the stopper knot at the end of your windward sheet (you can rerun the
> leeward sheet but it's not as easy) and pull the sheet loose from the winch
> and Genoa track block (pulley).
>
> >From the cabin grab the sheet forward of the outside shroud.  I'm six foot
> tall and can reach it without leaving the cabin or using a boat hook.
>
> Coil up the sheet and drop it on the sidedeck just forward of the Genoa
> sheet eye attached to the side of the cabin (on my boat).
>
> Run the bitter end of the sheet through the eye and with your aft hand pull
> the sheet into the cockpit.  I run the sheet through my forward hand
> forward
> of the eye to prevent the coil from getting tangled at the eye.
>
> >From the cockpit run the bitter end back through block.  If you run it
> directly to the winch the angle of the sheet may be too high and cause the
> sheet to get stuck around the winch during use.  If you have a bimini make
> sure you run the sheets to avoid touching the bimini supports.
>
> Retie your stopper knot but instead of using a figure-eight knot use a
> simple over-hand knot.  I've read several articles lately that claim it
> will
> hold better with the soft Genoa sheets.
>
> Come about so you can enjoy the fruits of your labor.
>
> Running the sheets between the mast and the inner shrouds is the same
> except
> you use the eye on top of the cabin and use the cam cleat instead of the
> block and winch.  It makes for a pretty small Genoa and I usually only use
> it if I'm beating it in higher winds.
>
> As a daysailor I frequently like to start out upwind and stay there to
> prevent the need to motor upwind to get back to my marina.  The heavier the
> wind the more I try to stay upwind which can make for a fun run back home.
> In light wind I use whatever point-of-sail keeps me moving and use the
> motor
> to return if necessary.
>
> I've measured 45 degrees into the wind several times and suspect that our
> boats would do close to 40 degrees with the right skipper and conditions.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Kent Island, MD
>
>
> Come-here Jack wrote:
> >
> > Murphy's law--in full effect here on Mobjack Bay--dictates that I spend
> > more time than I'd like sailing to windward.  My less-than-stellar
> sailing
> > skills + some pretty old & baggy sails make it unusual to point any
> higher
> > than 60 degrees off the wind (120 degree tacks).  I suspect the R-22 will
> > point higher than this, and I'd like to hear some opinions on moving the
> > genny sheets inside the shrouds.  Is it worth the effort?  Is there a
> > 'quick & easy' method?   Should I just learn to treat my sailing more
> like
> > sled riding (downhill only) ?
> >
> >
> > Jack Chirch
> > s/v Pax - Gloucester, VA
> >
>
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