[Rhodes22-list] Improved Pointing

Fri Aug 13 08:44:31 EDT 2010

Enclosed is a pdf file that illustrates how I think the older center board,
newer diamond board and proposed diamond board alteration are configured. 
Is 24" the typical diamond board depth?  Has anyone tried extending the
messanger line to the diamond board as suggested in the alteration photo? 
Has this helped improve the pointing ability?

http://old.nabble.com/file/p29428294/pointing.pdf pointing.pdf 

Leland wrote:
> 
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> http://www.sailingbreezes.com/Sailing_Breezes_Current/Boat_Reviews/rhodes22.htm
> http://www.sailingbreezes.com/Sailing_Breezes_Current/Boat_Reviews/rhodes22.htm 
> 
> Blue Heron wrote:
>> 
>> Lee,
>> 
>> Where did you find the 258?
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:15 PM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> The PHRF on our boats is 258 compared to the Catalina 22 with a rating
>>> of
>>> 270.  Your Rhodes is a faster boat but in this race it looks like it had
>>> a
>>> much better captain too--congrats!
>>>
>>> "Anything other than the outer position looses a couple of knots of
>>> speed."
>>>
>>> I agree but not because of the position of the sheets.  I believe you
>>> can
>>> go faster because you can have more sail out and/or your point-of-sail
>>> is
>>> more off the wind.  I think our boats point pretty well but they don't
>>> have
>>> enough weight underwater to provide a lot of opposing pressure to the
>>> sails.
>>>  Boats with deep, heavy keels and big sail plans seem to sail faster
>>> into
>>> the wind.  Our light boats with little wetted surface do better on a
>>> broad
>>> reach or run.
>>>
>>> I'm just guessing so if I'm wrong hopefully someone will speak up.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cowie
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:44 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on re-routing genoa sheets ??
>>>
>>> Lee/Jack:
>>>
>>> I typically keep my jib sheets outside the shrouds for maximum sail size
>>> however I do move the sheets to the other two positions in an effort to
>>> point higher.  Anything other than the outer position looses a couple of
>>> knots of speed.  I find the easiest way to change the sheet position is
>>> to
>>> furl the jib in all the way, then reach over or thru the pop top and
>>> move
>>> the sheet, then unfurl the jib.  I seem to get about 60 degrees off the
>>> wind
>>> with a full head sail, 120 total.  I can cheat a bit if its blowing hard
>>> and
>>> let the head sail luff, this also lessens the heal angle.  The best I
>>> have
>>> managed in the alternate sheet positions, at lower speed,  is 45 degrees
>>> off
>>> the wind, total 90 degrees.
>>>
>>> I came upon a Catalina 22, sailing the same direction sailing upwind
>>> toward
>>> Herrington Harbor South, as I came out of Herrington Harbor North this
>>> past
>>> Sunday afternoon.  I quickly got the outboard stowed and let out full
>>> sail.
>>>  Wind was a steady 9kts with gusts to 11kts.  While the Catalina could
>>> point
>>> about 10 degrees higher than me I outsailed her on several tacks as we
>>> made
>>> our way to the marker at the end of Long Bar, about a mile and a half up
>>> wind.  It must have taken the Catalina another fifteen minutes to reach
>>> the
>>> same mark.  While I am frustrated with the Rhodes pointing ability I am
>>> delighted at how she can get up and go in light and  moderate wind.
>>>
>>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>>
>>>
>>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>>> Suite 300
>>> Washington, DC  20007
>>> 202.342.2711
>>> 202.342.2691 fax
>>> 202.270.1470 mobile
>>>
>>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>>> cowieassociates.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Leland
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:28 AM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on re-routing genoa sheets ??
>>>
>>>
>>> Jack,
>>>
>>> Glad you asked.
>>>
>>> "Is it worth it?"  Absolutely.  It's more important than lowering your
>>> centerboard, which is also pretty important.  120 degree tacks with your
>>> sheets run outside of the shrouds is pretty good so your sails and
>>> skills
>>> must not be too baggy.
>>>
>>> "Is there a quick and easy method?"  I'm lazy and I rerun my sheets just
>>> about every time I go out.  Even if I don't need to run the sheets
>>> between
>>> the shrouds for windward performance I'll often get better sail shape if
>>> I
>>> do.  Here's my technique and I hope others chime in with their methods:
>>>
>>> If you're singlehandling you'll need to lock the tiller so you can leave
>>> the
>>> helm.
>>>
>>> Untie the stopper knot at the end of your windward sheet (you can rerun
>>> the
>>> leeward sheet but it's not as easy) and pull the sheet loose from the
>>> winch
>>> and Genoa track block (pulley).
>>>
>>> >From the cabin grab the sheet forward of the outside shroud.  I'm six
>>> foot
>>> tall and can reach it without leaving the cabin or using a boat hook.
>>>
>>> Coil up the sheet and drop it on the sidedeck just forward of the Genoa
>>> sheet eye attached to the side of the cabin (on my boat).
>>>
>>> Run the bitter end of the sheet through the eye and with your aft hand
>>> pull
>>> the sheet into the cockpit.  I run the sheet through my forward hand
>>> forward
>>> of the eye to prevent the coil from getting tangled at the eye.
>>>
>>> >From the cockpit run the bitter end back through block.  If you run it
>>> directly to the winch the angle of the sheet may be too high and cause
>>> the
>>> sheet to get stuck around the winch during use.  If you have a bimini
>>> make
>>> sure you run the sheets to avoid touching the bimini supports.
>>>
>>> Retie your stopper knot but instead of using a figure-eight knot use a
>>> simple over-hand knot.  I've read several articles lately that claim it
>>> will
>>> hold better with the soft Genoa sheets.
>>>
>>> Come about so you can enjoy the fruits of your labor.
>>>
>>> Running the sheets between the mast and the inner shrouds is the same
>>> except
>>> you use the eye on top of the cabin and use the cam cleat instead of the
>>> block and winch.  It makes for a pretty small Genoa and I usually only
>>> use
>>> it if I'm beating it in higher winds.
>>>
>>> As a daysailor I frequently like to start out upwind and stay there to
>>> prevent the need to motor upwind to get back to my marina.  The heavier
>>> the
>>> wind the more I try to stay upwind which can make for a fun run back
>>> home.
>>> In light wind I use whatever point-of-sail keeps me moving and use the
>>> motor
>>> to return if necessary.
>>>
>>> I've measured 45 degrees into the wind several times and suspect that
>>> our
>>> boats would do close to 40 degrees with the right skipper and
>>> conditions.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Lee
>>> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
>>> Kent Island, MD
>>>
>>>
>>> Come-here Jack wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Murphy's law--in full effect here on Mobjack Bay--dictates that I
>>> spend
>>> > more time than I'd like sailing to windward.  My less-than-stellar
>>> sailing
>>> > skills + some pretty old & baggy sails make it unusual to point any
>>> higher
>>> > than 60 degrees off the wind (120 degree tacks).  I suspect the R-22
>>> will
>>> > point higher than this, and I'd like to hear some opinions on moving
>>> the
>>> > genny sheets inside the shrouds.  Is it worth the effort?  Is there a
>>> > 'quick & easy' method?   Should I just learn to treat my sailing more
>>> like
>>> > sled riding (downhill only) ?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jack Chirch
>>> > s/v Pax - Gloucester, VA
>>> >
>>>
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