[Rhodes22-list] Demasting

[R22RumRunner at aol.com]

Hank,
I would want any hardware for flying a UPS attached to something a little  
stronger than a bolt through the deck. I want to see what his current 
hardware  looks like before offering any advice.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 8/18/2010 8:07:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
hnw555 at gmail.com writes:

Isn't  that hole where you would attach a UPS?  He always has the
option of  adding the UPS also.

Hank

On 8/18/10, R22RumRunner at aol.com  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> John and David,
> To be  sure, we don't really know what he has on the bow for a stay or
> anchor  attachment. He has promised more photo's this weekend. It will be
>  easier
> to decide what to do once we know what hardware he has. I  agree, the hole
> needs  to be resealed and never used again. Duct  tape underneath and then
> fill with  epoxy gets my  vote.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated  8/17/2010 6:23:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jlock at relevantarts.com  writes:
>
> Agreed,  your explanation is much clearer (and  more accurate) than
> mine.  I also missed the part where the nut  had actually backed  off,
> so maybe the deck core is sound and a  proper forestay  attachment is
> all that's needed.
>
>  Cheers!
> John  Lock
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> s/v Pandion  - '79 Rhodes 22
> Lake Sinclair,  GA
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2010, at 18:03, David  Culp  wrote:
>> John:
>>
>>> Clearly  attaching the forestay in  that manner was dangerously
>>>  inadequate.
>> That part  of the deck is not reinforced to  handle the loads
>> generated by  a
>> full jib under  sail.>
>>
>> A little clarification  here.  The  deck can certainly handle the load
>> of a
>>  mere  jib.  I have through-bolted an eye just behind my furler for   my
>> new UPS
>> sail which is basically a light weight  155%  genoa.  It was done
>> correctly
>> with a  large  diameter bolt-eye with backing plate and the other
>>  attach  point
>> is on the upper mast.  When sailing, the  deck mounting  takes some of
>> the
>> load of the UPS  but the rest is  spread to the rig.  What I think you
>>  meant
>> to say  was that the deck is not designed to take the  full load of
>> the  whole
>> rig which is the mast,  boom and all the wind forces generated by  the
>>  whole
>> sail plan.  That I agree with, it is not  intended  to do that  but it
>> speaks
>> to the  stoutness  of our decks that it was doing it in this case-
>> until   the
>> nut came off.  NO WAY would I ever set this rig up in  that  manner
>> again.
>> The only thing the forestay  was  accomplishing was taking enough of
>> the load
>>  preventing  the failure of the the lower shroud which looks like it  was
>>  shouldering most of the load.  Shrouds that carry  the load of the
>> whole sail
>> plan should ALWAYS be  attached to  chain-plates.
>>
>> IMO-Bill needs to  bolt-seal the deck hole, get a  pulpit hanger for his
>> anchor  and use a chain-strap on the bow to  re-attach the  forestay.
>>
>> David   Culp
>>
>>
>>
>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
>>  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John  Lock
>>  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:53 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22   Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Demasting
>>
>>  Clearly attaching the forestay in that  manner was dangerously
>>  inadequate.  That part of the  deck is not reinforced to handle  the
>> loads generated by a  full jib under sail.
>>
>> Since  your boat seems to  have something different about the anchor
>>  installation, you  need to consider two alternatives:
>>
>> 1) Remove  the  anchor and mount it in some other fashion so the
>> forestay and  can  be attached to a bow-mounted chainplate and  secured
>>  properly.
>>
>> 2) Barring that,  you should reinforce under the deck  where the bolt
>> passes  thru with some stiff marine plywood or a  chainplate and use  one
>> or two big, wide fender washers under the nut  to spread  the load out.
>> Even so, I'd be cautious about that solution   since the deck wasn't
>> designed to do that.  You also have a  nice  hole to leak into the
>> forepeak and deck core... sealing  will be  critical.
>>
>> Come to think of it... that  may be why the rig  failed!  Water leaking
>> thru that  mounting hole softened the deck  core and allowed the washer
>>  and nut to be pulled straight thru.   Better check that area  carefully
>> and repair the deck core as   necessary.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> John  Lock
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