[Rhodes22-list] Demasting
Arthur H. Czerwonky
czerwonky at earthlink.net
Wed Aug 18 18:04:44 EDT 2010
I use a setup similar to what a bow sprit would look like. The bow eye is made to the peak of the bow pulpit, and the foot of the sail would attach at the bow pulpit at this same point, probably using a furler. Very busy geriatric foredeck!
Art
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>From: Rhodes Net <bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Aug 18, 2010 4:01 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Demasting
>
>A strong padeye through bolted with sturdy backing plate would be my option.
>
>Bob on R22 "NoKaOi 3"
>
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>On Aug 18, 2010, at 5:42 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hank,
>> I would want any hardware for flying a UPS attached to something a little
>> stronger than a bolt through the deck. I want to see what his current
>> hardware looks like before offering any advice.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/18/2010 8:07:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> hnw555 at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Isn't that hole where you would attach a UPS? He always has the
>> option of adding the UPS also.
>>
>> Hank
>>
>> On 8/18/10, R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>> John and David,
>>> To be sure, we don't really know what he has on the bow for a stay or
>>> anchor attachment. He has promised more photo's this weekend. It will be
>>> easier
>>> to decide what to do once we know what hardware he has. I agree, the hole
>>> needs to be resealed and never used again. Duct tape underneath and then
>>> fill with epoxy gets my vote.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 8/17/2010 6:23:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> jlock at relevantarts.com writes:
>>>
>>> Agreed, your explanation is much clearer (and more accurate) than
>>> mine. I also missed the part where the nut had actually backed off,
>>> so maybe the deck core is sound and a proper forestay attachment is
>>> all that's needed.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> John Lock
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 18:03, David Culp wrote:
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>>> Clearly attaching the forestay in that manner was dangerously
>>>>> inadequate.
>>>> That part of the deck is not reinforced to handle the loads
>>>> generated by a
>>>> full jib under sail.>
>>>>
>>>> A little clarification here. The deck can certainly handle the load
>>>> of a
>>>> mere jib. I have through-bolted an eye just behind my furler for my
>>>> new UPS
>>>> sail which is basically a light weight 155% genoa. It was done
>>>> correctly
>>>> with a large diameter bolt-eye with backing plate and the other
>>>> attach point
>>>> is on the upper mast. When sailing, the deck mounting takes some of
>>>> the
>>>> load of the UPS but the rest is spread to the rig. What I think you
>>>> meant
>>>> to say was that the deck is not designed to take the full load of
>>>> the whole
>>>> rig which is the mast, boom and all the wind forces generated by the
>>>> whole
>>>> sail plan. That I agree with, it is not intended to do that but it
>>>> speaks
>>>> to the stoutness of our decks that it was doing it in this case-
>>>> until the
>>>> nut came off. NO WAY would I ever set this rig up in that manner
>>>> again.
>>>> The only thing the forestay was accomplishing was taking enough of
>>>> the load
>>>> preventing the failure of the the lower shroud which looks like it was
>>>> shouldering most of the load. Shrouds that carry the load of the
>>>> whole sail
>>>> plan should ALWAYS be attached to chain-plates.
>>>>
>>>> IMO-Bill needs to bolt-seal the deck hole, get a pulpit hanger for his
>>>> anchor and use a chain-strap on the bow to re-attach the forestay.
>>>>
>>>> David Culp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Lock
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:53 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Demasting
>>>>
>>>> Clearly attaching the forestay in that manner was dangerously
>>>> inadequate. That part of the deck is not reinforced to handle the
>>>> loads generated by a full jib under sail.
>>>>
>>>> Since your boat seems to have something different about the anchor
>>>> installation, you need to consider two alternatives:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Remove the anchor and mount it in some other fashion so the
>>>> forestay and can be attached to a bow-mounted chainplate and secured
>>>> properly.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Barring that, you should reinforce under the deck where the bolt
>>>> passes thru with some stiff marine plywood or a chainplate and use one
>>>> or two big, wide fender washers under the nut to spread the load out.
>>>> Even so, I'd be cautious about that solution since the deck wasn't
>>>> designed to do that. You also have a nice hole to leak into the
>>>> forepeak and deck core... sealing will be critical.
>>>>
>>>> Come to think of it... that may be why the rig failed! Water leaking
>>>> thru that mounting hole softened the deck core and allowed the washer
>>>> and nut to be pulled straight thru. Better check that area carefully
>>>> and repair the deck core as necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> John Lock
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