[Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale

Bob Keller r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com
Mon Aug 23 17:43:00 EDT 2010 

Rick,
Now I'm confused.  The certificate said 10% and you are saying 5%.  Which is it?
BK
 
> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:39:32 -0400
> From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> 
> Eric,
> 
> Sure. Just send Stan a copy of your bill of sale plus 5% of your purchase.
> 
> Or, get free advice from the list and buy what you need from Stan. (You
> won't get the certificate discount, though.)
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Eric Larson <ericrobertlarson at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > There is one question that this broke potential Rhodes 22 owner has not
> > seen
> > an answer to, and that is this, is there a way to but the certificate
> > post-sale. The text of the certificate seems to be pretty specific, that
> > the certificate much come with the boat when it is purchased.
> >
> > There are a couple of Rhodes 22 sales that happen outside the pervue of GB
> > each month, and in reality they represent one of my best bets for getting a
> > Rhodes 22 anytime in the next decade. Sure Stan might have one for around
> > 2
> > grand when I have 2 grand to spend, but the chances are pretty slim.
> >
> > Every single person that I have spoken with about these boats has had one
> > of
> > 2 responses:
> > 1) Stan who?
> > 2) I have a cheap boat to sell, I have never talked to the Stan and I am
> > not
> > going to start now.
> > Given this, the chances that I can get a CoS to come with the boat in these
> > circumstances are pretty slim. Also given my circumstances, it is likely
> > that I would purchase one if I have the opportunity...$100 (5% of $2000)
> > for
> > access to discounted parts and the manufacturer's ear when I need advice
> > sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
> >
> > Anyway, I will discover the answer to that when I call Stan to ask him
> > where
> > to send the check if I ever buy a boat of Craigslist. If he will not take
> > it at that point it is really no skin off my nose because the alternative
> > is
> > buying a boat that is out of production and therefore has no manufacturer
> > support either. If that ends up being my course I can only hope that there
> > is a boat owner's board as helpful as this one!
> >
> > Take care!
> > Eric
> > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:17 PM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Matt,
> > > You said
> > > "there is a difference between explaining a business policy and
> > chastizing
> > > a potential customer (or any person for that matter) for asking a
> > question
> > > without knowing the complex history of the answer."
> > > Do you know that Stan & Rose are sole proprietors? Did you visit the
> > > website to get info before calling?? Just his taking the time to explain
> > the
> > > above to you (and how many others in a week???)is a break in the workflow
> > > and costs $$$$.
> > > If if were my business I'd probably be irritated also w/people calling.
> > > Sure, it may have been your first call, but believe me, it was not his
> > > first.
> > >
> > > And you have a point....but what you and other newbies don't understand
> > is
> > > that Stan and Rose ARE the business...I doubt that you or any others
> > would
> > > be willing to pay what it would cost him to stop to answer your questions
> > > which may or may not engender other business. Your time...0$...his
> > > time...megabucks.....hence the 5% certificate program.
> > > You want him to 'pay' you (with his time)to answer your questions, but
> > > you're not willing to pay him for the answers.
> > >
> > > elle
> > >
> > >
> > > Beer is good....people are crazy
> > >
> > > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recycled '06"Watermusic" {Lady in Red}
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Matthew Porter <matthewporter27 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Matthew Porter <matthewporter27 at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:09 PM
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > In the effort to provide a newcomer's perspective, I'd like to point out
> > > that new owners may be unaware that such a debate has been taking place.
> > > As
> > > the (broke) new owner of an inherited boat, the cost of a Certificate is
> > > prohibitive, but I would be more than happy to pay for the time of an
> > > experienced and knowledgeable Rhodes builder (or even Rhodes captain) on
> > an
> > > hourly basis.
> > >
> > > And to comment on Elle's response from the other thread, there is a
> > > difference between explaining a business policy and chastizing a
> > potential
> > > customer (or any person for that matter) for asking a question without
> > > knowing the complex history of the answer.
> > >
> > > An hourly fee for sage advice would help in two areas. First, the
> > newcomer
> > > may not have any knowledge of how the company operates, or its plan of
> > > succession. The Certificate may be valid for a lifetime of sailing, but
> > as
> > > with any small business, the question of who will be there in the future
> > to
> > > provide that advice is important. Second, as with many pay-as-you-go
> > > scenarios, the customer often recognizes the true value of the expert's
> > > time, and may realize what a deal the Certificate represents.
> > >
> > > Oh, and to give a brief summary of my first few months with our boat:
> > she's
> > > beautiful and functional; great for the Severn River; perfect for a new
> > > sailor/captain; and she sure can take a whack on the bow pulpit/anchor.
> > >
> > > Matt Porter
> > > '95/recycled '02
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Charles Nieman <
> > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the explaination ....
> > > > not planning on selling anytime soon ....
> > > > after all I have only had the boat 15 years ....
> > > > still breaking it in!
> > > >
> > > > > From: stan at rhodes22.com
> > > > > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:16:28 -0400
> > > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> > > > >
> > > > > Charles,
> > > > >
> > > > > it's a phasing-in consideration.
> > > > >
> > > > > 15 years and you become a pet
> > > > > But when and if you go to sell your boat privately, that is a new
> > ball
> > > > game.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course you can do as you like, and so can we. So if you elect to
> > > sell
> > > > your boat privately without going with the C of S program, and tell the
> > > > buyer to call us anytime at home or at the plant, if they have any
> > > > questions, from now on we are simply going to re-direct them back to
> > you.
> > > > >
> > > > > We think the C of S it is a win, win solution to a growing problem
> > and
> > > > recommend it to private sellers and private buyers. We know some still
> > > think
> > > > we are nuts to expect residuals since a boat is not a book or a song or
> > a
> > > > copyrighted photograph, so we continue to be willing to debate this
> > tired
> > > > issue with any takers.
> > > > >
> > > > > ss/gbi
> > > > >
> > > > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Charles Nieman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stan
> > > > > > Since I bought a recycled boat from you (albeit fifteen years ago)
> > > does
> > > > that mean I have "Certificate of Support" now?..... doe sthe response
> > and
> > > > attention you have been giving me represent what can be expected with
> > > said
> > > > certificate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> From: stan at rhodes22.com
> > > > > >> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:30:46 -0400
> > > > > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> > > >
> > >
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> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Aug 20, 2010, at 8:15 PM, bobmellor wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I am going to be selling a Rhodes22.. (I currently have two...
> > > > selling one,
> > > > > >>> keeping one)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 1982 Rhodes22
> > > > > >>> standard mast (not IMF)
> > > > > >>> single axle triad trailer
> > > > > >>> ready to sail
> > > > > >>> located in eastern PA
> > > > > >>> if interested in purchasing, email rhm at bobmellor.com and I'll
> > get
> > > > back to
> > > > > >>> you w/ more detail.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> (I need to look thru archives to get latest on how to get Stan's
> > > new
> > > > "cert
> > > > > >>> of support" for buyer)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Bob Mellor
> > > > > >>> --
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> > > > http://old.nabble.com/82-Rhodes22-for-sale-tp29495466p29495466.html
> > > > > >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > > > > >>>
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