[Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale

Bob Keller r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com
Mon Aug 23 19:08:16 EDT 2010 

But I'll bet we could talk Stan down to 7.5%...
 
> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:25:29 -0400
> From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> 
> 10%
> 
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > Rick,
> > Now I'm confused. The certificate said 10% and you are saying 5%. Which
> > is it?
> > BK
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:39:32 -0400
> > > From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> > >
> > > Eric,
> > >
> > > Sure. Just send Stan a copy of your bill of sale plus 5% of your
> > purchase.
> > >
> > > Or, get free advice from the list and buy what you need from Stan. (You
> > > won't get the certificate discount, though.)
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Eric Larson <ericrobertlarson at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello folks,
> > > >
> > > > There is one question that this broke potential Rhodes 22 owner has not
> > > > seen
> > > > an answer to, and that is this, is there a way to but the certificate
> > > > post-sale. The text of the certificate seems to be pretty specific,
> > that
> > > > the certificate much come with the boat when it is purchased.
> > > >
> > > > There are a couple of Rhodes 22 sales that happen outside the pervue of
> > GB
> > > > each month, and in reality they represent one of my best bets for
> > getting a
> > > > Rhodes 22 anytime in the next decade. Sure Stan might have one for
> > around
> > > > 2
> > > > grand when I have 2 grand to spend, but the chances are pretty slim.
> > > >
> > > > Every single person that I have spoken with about these boats has had
> > one
> > > > of
> > > > 2 responses:
> > > > 1) Stan who?
> > > > 2) I have a cheap boat to sell, I have never talked to the Stan and I
> > am
> > > > not
> > > > going to start now.
> > > > Given this, the chances that I can get a CoS to come with the boat in
> > these
> > > > circumstances are pretty slim. Also given my circumstances, it is
> > likely
> > > > that I would purchase one if I have the opportunity...$100 (5% of
> > $2000)
> > > > for
> > > > access to discounted parts and the manufacturer's ear when I need
> > advice
> > > > sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I will discover the answer to that when I call Stan to ask him
> > > > where
> > > > to send the check if I ever buy a boat of Craigslist. If he will not
> > take
> > > > it at that point it is really no skin off my nose because the
> > alternative
> > > > is
> > > > buying a boat that is out of production and therefore has no
> > manufacturer
> > > > support either. If that ends up being my course I can only hope that
> > there
> > > > is a boat owner's board as helpful as this one!
> > > >
> > > > Take care!
> > > > Eric
> > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:17 PM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Matt,
> > > > > You said
> > > > > "there is a difference between explaining a business policy and
> > > > chastizing
> > > > > a potential customer (or any person for that matter) for asking a
> > > > question
> > > > > without knowing the complex history of the answer."
> > > > > Do you know that Stan & Rose are sole proprietors? Did you visit the
> > > > > website to get info before calling?? Just his taking the time to
> > explain
> > > > the
> > > > > above to you (and how many others in a week???)is a break in the
> > workflow
> > > > > and costs $$$$.
> > > > > If if were my business I'd probably be irritated also w/people
> > calling.
> > > > > Sure, it may have been your first call, but believe me, it was not
> > his
> > > > > first.
> > > > >
> > > > > And you have a point....but what you and other newbies don't
> > understand
> > > > is
> > > > > that Stan and Rose ARE the business...I doubt that you or any others
> > > > would
> > > > > be willing to pay what it would cost him to stop to answer your
> > questions
> > > > > which may or may not engender other business. Your time...0$...his
> > > > > time...megabucks.....hence the 5% certificate program.
> > > > > You want him to 'pay' you (with his time)to answer your questions,
> > but
> > > > > you're not willing to pay him for the answers.
> > > > >
> > > > > elle
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Beer is good....people are crazy
> > > > >
> > > > > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recycled '06"Watermusic" {Lady in Red}
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Matthew Porter <matthewporter27 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Matthew Porter <matthewporter27 at gmail.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:09 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > In the effort to provide a newcomer's perspective, I'd like to point
> > out
> > > > > that new owners may be unaware that such a debate has been taking
> > place.
> > > > > As
> > > > > the (broke) new owner of an inherited boat, the cost of a Certificate
> > is
> > > > > prohibitive, but I would be more than happy to pay for the time of an
> > > > > experienced and knowledgeable Rhodes builder (or even Rhodes captain)
> > on
> > > > an
> > > > > hourly basis.
> > > > >
> > > > > And to comment on Elle's response from the other thread, there is a
> > > > > difference between explaining a business policy and chastizing a
> > > > potential
> > > > > customer (or any person for that matter) for asking a question
> > without
> > > > > knowing the complex history of the answer.
> > > > >
> > > > > An hourly fee for sage advice would help in two areas. First, the
> > > > newcomer
> > > > > may not have any knowledge of how the company operates, or its plan
> > of
> > > > > succession. The Certificate may be valid for a lifetime of sailing,
> > but
> > > > as
> > > > > with any small business, the question of who will be there in the
> > future
> > > > to
> > > > > provide that advice is important. Second, as with many pay-as-you-go
> > > > > scenarios, the customer often recognizes the true value of the
> > expert's
> > > > > time, and may realize what a deal the Certificate represents.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, and to give a brief summary of my first few months with our boat:
> > > > she's
> > > > > beautiful and functional; great for the Severn River; perfect for a
> > new
> > > > > sailor/captain; and she sure can take a whack on the bow
> > pulpit/anchor.
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt Porter
> > > > > '95/recycled '02
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Charles Nieman <
> > > > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the explaination ....
> > > > > > not planning on selling anytime soon ....
> > > > > > after all I have only had the boat 15 years ....
> > > > > > still breaking it in!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: stan at rhodes22.com
> > > > > > > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:16:28 -0400
> > > > > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Charles,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it's a phasing-in consideration.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 15 years and you become a pet
> > > > > > > But when and if you go to sell your boat privately, that is a new
> > > > ball
> > > > > > game.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course you can do as you like, and so can we. So if you elect
> > to
> > > > > sell
> > > > > > your boat privately without going with the C of S program, and tell
> > the
> > > > > > buyer to call us anytime at home or at the plant, if they have any
> > > > > > questions, from now on we are simply going to re-direct them back
> > to
> > > > you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We think the C of S it is a win, win solution to a growing
> > problem
> > > > and
> > > > > > recommend it to private sellers and private buyers. We know some
> > still
> > > > > think
> > > > > > we are nuts to expect residuals since a boat is not a book or a
> > song or
> > > > a
> > > > > > copyrighted photograph, so we continue to be willing to debate this
> > > > tired
> > > > > > issue with any takers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ss/gbi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Charles Nieman wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Stan
> > > > > > > > Since I bought a recycled boat from you (albeit fifteen years
> > ago)
> > > > > does
> > > > > > that mean I have "Certificate of Support" now?..... doe sthe
> > response
> > > > and
> > > > > > attention you have been giving me represent what can be expected
> > with
> > > > > said
> > > > > > certificate?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> From: stan at rhodes22.com
> > > > > > > >> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:30:46 -0400
> > > > > > > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > > > > > >> Name: Certificate of Support.jpg
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> > > > > > > >> Size: 174606 bytes
> > > > > > > >> Desc: not available
> > > > > > > >> Url :
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100822/99b3f044/attachment.jpg
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> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On Aug 20, 2010, at 8:15 PM, bobmellor wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> I am going to be selling a Rhodes22.. (I currently have
> > two...
> > > > > > selling one,
> > > > > > > >>> keeping one)
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> 1982 Rhodes22
> > > > > > > >>> standard mast (not IMF)
> > > > > > > >>> single axle triad trailer
> > > > > > > >>> ready to sail
> > > > > > > >>> located in eastern PA
> > > > > > > >>> if interested in purchasing, email rhm at bobmellor.com and
> > I'll
> > > > get
> > > > > > back to
> > > > > > > >>> you w/ more detail.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> (I need to look thru archives to get latest on how to get
> > Stan's
> > > > > new
> > > > > > "cert
> > > > > > > >>> of support" for buyer)
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Bob Mellor
> > > > > > > >>> --
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