[Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind

Tue Aug 24 16:30:04 EDT 2010

I have to disagree.  Whether in a boat or in a car, you are always moving
faster if you are against the wind.

At least that's what my dog thinks. ;)

Porter

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Lee,
>
> You don't "make" apparent wind.  It is no different than when you stick
> your
> head out of a moving car.  If a car, or boat, heads into a wind, it feels
> stronger than when the wind is behind you.
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:51 AM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>
> > Ben,
> >
> > Glad to hear it worked.  I'm typically trying to make headway in heavier
> > winds but over the weekend I was trying to do so in about a five knot
> > wind.  I had the Genoa sheets run between the shrouds and the board down
> > but only seemed to be doing about 70 degrees into the wind.  I shifted
> > my weight to the leeward side of the boat to get more heel so the boat
> > would get into the groove and go faster.  I not only picked up speed but
> > significantly increased my windward performance.  It's probably common
> > sense for most sailors but it was another "Aha!" moment for me.
> >
> > I'm still struggling with wind VMG (velocity made good).  I understand
> > the theory but don't know how you'd easily determine it without a GPS
> > with VMG functionality.  Too much into the wind and you're going too
> > slow and too much off the wind and you're going too far out of the way.
> > You'd think that reaching into the wind just before you start slowing
> > down would be best but that's not what the polar diagrams indicate.  Our
> > light displacement boats pick up so much speed when we come off the wind
> > that it seems like we must have a better VMG by having more speed.
> >
> > I'm not sure but I think the apparent wind is the problem.  The faster
> > you go into the wind the more apparent wind you create which allows you
> > to go even faster, but the apparent wind also pushes you away from the
> > true wind.
> >
> > >From the J/Boat website:  A J/120 sailing at 7.2 knots, 38 degrees off
> > the true wind (25 degrees apparent wind angle), makes good a velocity
> > (VMG) of 5.7 knots straight into the wind. This is 15% faster than a
> > boat doing 7 knots at a 45 degree true wind angle.
> >
> > So I think with our boats we still make better VMG by slowing down into
> > the wind than by speeding up off the wind.  I just can't figure out how
> > much speed to sacrifice.
> >
> > Maybe I just need to have fun, use the motor when I need it, and
> > fugetaboudit.
> >
> > Lee
> > 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of BenCittadino
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:45 AM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
> >
> >
> > Stephen;
> >
> > I just ran the sheets inside the outermost shrouds and brought them
> > through
> > the pulleys and winches on the gunwhales. I think I need some shroud
> > "guards" or "rollers" before I bring the Genny back past the mast by
> > that
> > route, but I was definitely surprised how much difference that seemingly
> > small adjustment made in upwind sailing.
> >
> > BenC
> >
> > Stephen Staum wrote:
> > >
> > > Ben,
> > >
> > > Did you go just inside the shrouds or to the inner track as well?
> > >
> > > Stephen Staum
> > > 87 R22, Carol Lee
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 6:55 PM, "Benjamin Cittadino"
> > <BCittadino at dcs-law.com
> > >  > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in NJ this weekend, and I
> > >> want
> > >> to report that I had a pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing
> > the
> > >> Jib (175 Genny) sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for better
> > >> upwind
> > >> sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I
> > was
> > >> delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let
> > the
> > >> Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I felt like I
> > >> could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying the new route
> > for
> > >> the sheets because I thought the sail would get all hung up in the
> > >> shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it, you'll like it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> BenCittadino
> > >>
> > >> S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled '08)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> PS-Could not connect to Nabble today??!!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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