[Rhodes22-list] Winter Project Results - Reports?

[Arthur H. Czerwonky]

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>From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull color
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>I wonder what custom winter R22 projects have tested successfully now that the sailing season is in full bloom.  Bob Keller's refer sounds like a winner, even if expensive.  I have put together pigtails which will plug in (very cautiously) via standard lawn extension cords using 12v DC versus 120v AC, and when connected (very carefully) appears as cig lighter (MxM) pigtail plugs on each end.  Connected to the auto , then to any 12v boat plug, I will have the convenience of non battery juice wherever.  The cords are carefully labeled, and only I will have the two pigtail ends that make the set a unit.  If carelessly connected at one end to 120v, the 12v male fuze will blow - if not one Rhoadie fried, sunny side up please...
>
>Art
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ken bates <btskend at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 6:30 PM
>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hull color
>>
>>Paul
>>Where in Michigan are you?
>>Ken in Portage Mi
>>(My I phone locked up when I tried to reply so this may be redundant)
>>
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>>>   1. Re: Hull color (KUHN, LELAND)
>>>   2. $50 Mast raising (ejor2 at aol.com)
>>>   3. Re: Tired of IMF (KUHN, LELAND)
>>>   4. Re: Tired of IMF (Mary Lou Troy)
>>>   5. Re: Hull color (pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net)
>>>   6. Re: Tired of IMF (David Culp)
>>>   7. Re: Tired of IMF (pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net)
>>>   8. Re: Tired of IMF (Charles Nieman)
>>>   9. Re: Tired of IMF (Ben Schultz)
>>>  10. Re: Tired of IMF (Rhodes Net)
>>>  11. Re: Tired of IMF (Jim Connolly)
>>>  12. Re: Hull color (Geoff Farrell)
>>>  13. Re: Tired of IMF (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
>>>  14. Re: Tired of IMF (John Shulick)
>>>  15. Re: Tired of IMF (John Shulick)
>>>  16. Re: Tired of IMF (John Shulick)
>>>  17. Re: Tired of IMF (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
>>>  18. Re: Hull color (pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net)
>>>  19. Tired of IMF (Charles Nieman)
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:23:55 -0400
>>> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>> Caesar,
>>>
>>> It's a C&C and I think it's about 35'.  It's a true racer-cruiser; fast
>>> boat first with nice accommodations second.  It's all about compromises--the
>>> Rhodes' cockpit is more comfortable (and larger) and we're a "little" less
>>> expensive.
>>>
>>> The captain is one of the most experienced sailors I know.  He sailed
>>> across the Atlantic and throughout the Mediterranean with his wife and son
>>> for two years when his son was a toddler.
>>>
>>> Here are some comments he had about our boats:
>>>
>>> "Bigger and more expensive is not always better.  I have told many people
>>> about the Rhodes after seeing you sail it.  I think it looks and sails
>>> excellent.  After my trip to the Caribbean in the CC I was tempted to write
>>> an article named back to basics. However I am not a writer so it will most
>>> likely not happen.  The point of the story is that I feel many sailors are
>>> missing out of the enjoyment due to the size of boat and equipment they
>>> install.  Before I left I installed a wind vane which forced me to be better
>>> at trimming the sails.  This meant I ended up sailing more and enjoying it.
>>>  I did not have any concerns about batteries or generators cooling etc.
>>>  Also I did not have the luxury to just motor as I only carried 20 gallons
>>> of fuel.  Just shows you that these people on their "hi tek" boats are not
>>> having any more fun but most likely less.   Ever notice that a lot of these
>>> boats never sail?"
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Caesar Paul
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:20 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>>>
>>> Hi Leland.
>>>
>>> What make of boat is that?? Are you the sailor / owner?? Could it be the
>>> Rhodes
>>> 25 that Stan has pending?
>>>
>>> Caesar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 6:07:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Geoff,
>>>
>>> Conventional wisdom and West Marine say you should wax your hull.? I don't
>>> think a dark hull will oxidize faster than a white one but it will probably
>>> be more noticeable.
>>>
>>> The owner's manual for my 2007 Toyota says I don't need to wax the car.
>>> Don't know if it's the paint or clearcoat but apparently something has
>>> improved.
>>>
>>> Stan may be using some type of new fangled paint because I haven't waxed my
>>> boat yet (2004 paint job) and so far it hasn't oxidized.
>>>
>>> I do know that red boats are faster.
>>>
>>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p29095893/7-4-19%2B001.jpg 7-4-19+001.jpg
>>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p29095893/7-4-19%2B002.jpg 7-4-19+002.jpg
>>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p29095893/7-4-19%2B003.jpg 7-4-19+003.jpg
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Lee
>>> 1986 Rhodes22? AT EASE
>>> Kent Island, MD
>>>
>>> _________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots of info
>>> regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than white
>>> hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
>>> Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about darker colors
>>> in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do you have
>>> any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per year
>>> (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other months.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Geoff
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>>> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:25:46 -0400
>>> From: ejor2 at aol.com
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $50 Mast raising
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>>>
>>> I said I would post an update once I had tried this mast raising system
>>> out. Well, it worked better than I could have hoped for and all for about
>>> $50. I've attached the directions again. The first time I lowered the mast,
>>> I had a couple of guys that were hanging out on the dock stand by just in
>>> case. Went down so smooth, they asked if I had patented this thing! I didn't
>>> bother them again when it was time to raise it and once again up she went,
>>> all by myself. I did have to stop part way up to untangle the stays, it
>>> swayed a little as a wave went by, but I was never woried about it going
>>> sideways. What a pleasure!!
>>>
>>> Eric J.
>>> Time Out
>>>
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>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:28:33 -0400
>>> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
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>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> There might be something wrong with your IMF.
>>>
>>> Whenever my sail jams it's always user-error.  If I keep tension on the
>>> outhaul it always furls into the mast smoothly no matter where the boom
>>> is, although it helps to have the boom slightly lower than horizontal
>>> and slightly to starboard.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>>> jimtracyjohnston at centurytel.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>>
>>> Charlie, Every year, including this year, I ponder the same action you
>>> are considering, replace the IMF. My IMF system jams frequently when I
>>> try to reduce or furl in the sail. I inspect the nylon (or plastic?)
>>> disc at the top and bottom of the foil. I have tried different
>>> lubricants at both the top and bottom of the mast. The foil is
>>> straight, there are no dents or bands in the mast. The sail groove in
>>> the mast is smooth on all edges. I realize there can be little
>>> resistance on the sheets and the boom must hold the sail in alignment
>>> with the mast groove.  When the main will NOT retract it flaps around
>>> until the boom is released from the traveler and the topping lift pulls
>>> the boom up parallel with the mast. I would like to look into an boom
>>> furling system. This will require a halyard for the head of the main
>>> sail. This might also allow better mail sail shape.  The current loose
>>> footed main sail with IMF compromises optimum sail shape. I'm all ears
>>> for comments on IMF vs inner-boom furling. Jim J
>>>
>>> Quoting Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>:
>>> >
>>> > John,
>>> >
>>> > That actually makes sense...
>>> >
>>> > BK
>>> >
>>> > > From: jlock at relevantarts.com
>>> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 12:22:59 -0400
>>> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> > >
>>> > > Looking past the obvious "why would you do that?!" question, I
>>> wonder
>>> > > how feasible that downgrade would be? Seems like most of the
>>> standing
>>> > > rigging would have to be resized or replaced due to differing mast
>>> > > height or attachment points. Could you still use the same genoa? Or
>>> > > would that also need to be resized/replaced? Speaking from ignorance
>>> > > here... I don't know what (if any) dimensional differences there are
>>> > > between standard and IMF rigs.
>>> > >
>>> > > But if it were feasible, how about we just swap? I'll take your IMF
>>> > > rig and you can have my standard rig ;-)
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers!
>>> > > John Lock
>>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> > > s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>> > > Lake Sinclair, GA
>>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:04, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>> > > > Charlie,
>>> > > > What in the hell are you drinking anyway? Nobody in their right
>>> mind
>>> > > > would
>>> > > > want to replace an IMF with a standard main. What gives
>>> here???????
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Rummy
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 11:37:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> > > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
>>> > > > fighting
>>> > > > the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done
>>> > > > this
>>> > > > without replacing the mast? Any suggestions ??? I could really use
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thanks
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Charlie
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:40:02 -0400
>>> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
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>>> Good memory John!
>>>
>>> We have found that the angle of the boom does make a big difference.
>>> Slightly below horizontal seems to work for us. If the boom is
>>> horizontal or above, it gets wrinkles as it furls. In fact if  feel
>>> any resistance to furling, we stop, let out the topping lift and then furl
>>> it.
>>>
>>> We do have some problems with the furling line jamming in the
>>> fittings at the end of the boom but never with the sail itself
>>> jamming except twice.
>>>
>>> Once was very early on and we got a secondary halyard wrapped in with
>>> it - had to cut the halyard and pull it free (nothing was on it -
>>> it's the one we now use for the UPS.)
>>>
>>> The second time was recently after we had gotten our new vertical
>>> batten main and it seems to have jammed because the fabric of the
>>> sail wasn't wrapped tightly enough around the furling tube. We
>>> refurled, pulling on the outhaul to get a tighter wrap of the sail
>>> and then we were able to deploy the sail without too much trouble. We
>>> are trying to keep a little tension on the furling line so we get a
>>> tight wrap - just like you would with a jib furler but too much
>>> tension and it won't furl. The new sail is so much crisper than the
>>> old sail that it has a tendency to want to wrap loosely so right now
>>> (we've only sailed with it a 3 or 4 times) we are watching that
>>> carefully as we furl. I suspect it will be better once the fabric
>>> gets some memory for being wrapped around the tube.
>>>
>>> Charlie, some other things occur to me.
>>>
>>> You have had this problem for a long time and say your sail is pretty
>>> beat up. It could be that the condition of the sail itself is causing
>>> part of the problem.
>>>
>>> You mention something about the sail being "too thick" coming out. I
>>> assume you mean because of the wrinkles which even if you drop your
>>> boom may be nearly permanent because you've had the problem for such
>>> a long time. The only other thing I can think of that would make it
>>> thick is if you trying to furl it too far. The sail is supposed to
>>> furl so that the forward edge of the suncover is just inside the
>>> slot. The sun  cover should be mostly exposed so that you have a
>>> visible triangle of (suncovered) sail.
>>>
>>> An intermediate step in your dilemma might be to look for a used main
>>> in better condition than the one you have. I know that several people
>>> on the list have replaced their furling main with the new vertical
>>> batten sail. When we did that, we asked Stan if he wanted the sail
>>> and he said he had too many of them and no market. He might be
>>> willing to sell you one of those cheap. Might even take it in trade
>>> on a vertical batten sail if you get the system working and decide
>>> that is what you want.
>>>
>>> Heck we'd sell you our old main cheap + shipping but it's somewhat
>>> soft and a little baggy (no rips or tears) - Stan may have one in
>>> newer condition.
>>>
>>> Trying to adapt your current mast to a standard bolt rope, sail slug
>>> or sail track system seems to me to be a daunting task involving
>>> something kluged together to deal with the wide slot of the IMF mast.
>>> It would probably be as cheap to trade mast and rigging with someone
>>> including the shipping costs.
>>>
>>> Someone mentioned poor sail shape because of the IMF and the
>>> loosefooted main. The "poor sail shape" is strictly the result of the
>>> cut of the IMF main (flat so it will furl and no roach so it will
>>> furl) and has nothing to do with the loosefooted part. Many racing
>>> boats use loosefooted mains which actually give you more control over
>>> the shape of the sail.
>>>
>>> Hope some of this is applicable to the problem.
>>>
>>> Mary Lou
>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>> where there is a nice breeze but it is just too darned hot to sail
>>> Charlie - send us some of that rain, we need it badly!
>>>
>>>
>>> At 02:37 PM 7/7/2010, you wrote:
>>> >Charlie,
>>> >
>>> >You might try some searches in the list  archives because I know this
>>> >topic has been discussed before.  You are not alone in having a
>>> >struggle with IMF furling from time to time.  However, it seems that
>>> >most have overcome the problems with minor changes in procedure and
>>> >setup, or proper lubrication, etc.
>>> >
>>> >For example, I remember one response (Mary Lou maybe?) that said the
>>> >angle of the boom to the mast when operating the furler was fairly
>>> >critical to getting a smooth furl.  Too low or too high and the sail
>>> >bunches up in the mast?  Going from memory here, so I may not have the
>>> >details right...
>>> >
>>> >Cheers!
>>> >John Lock
>>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>> >Lake Sinclair, GA
>>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Jul 7, 2010, at 13:58, Charles Nieman wrote:
>>> > > Rummy
>>> > >
>>> > > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>>> > > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until
>>> > > today .... guess I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might
>>> > > explain why I have been fighting this systenm for so long ......
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out
>>> > > here .... I have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the
>>> > > way Stan describes and even tried some of the approaches noted in
>>> > > these responses (and don't get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to
>>> > > massive response I am getting here) .... nothing seems to help...the
>>> > > sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and is too thick when coming
>>> > > out  .....
>>> > >
>>> > >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> > >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>>> > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Charlie,
>>> > >> Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>>> > >> your
>>> > >> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>>> > >> willing
>>> > >> to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>>> > >> problem
>>> > >> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
>>> > >> actually
>>> > >> works.
>>> > >> Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
>>> > >> to trade
>>> > >> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>>> > >> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
>>> > >> more sail cloth.
>>> > >> It's a wonderful upgrade.
>>> > >> One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
>>> > >> forum to
>>> > >> fix your problem?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Rummy
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> > >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
>>> > >> IMF
>>> > >> .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
>>> > >> when coming
>>> > >> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
>>> > >> mast
>>> > >> apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to
>>> > >> work .... currently
>>> > >> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along
>>> > >> the seam
>>> > >> .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
>>> > >> but it
>>> > >> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
>>> > >> head
>>> > >> against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>>> > >> glad to
>>> > >> listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
>>> > >> that part of
>>> > >> my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>>> > >> replace
>>> > >> the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
>>> > >> to keep
>>> > >> giving me headaches.....
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Charlie
>>> > >>
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:42:41 -0400 (EDT)
>>> From: pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>> Geoff,
>>>
>>> If you look around, you will see that most sailboats have white hulls.
>>> There is a reason for that.  I bought mine brand new from Stan in 1999
>>> with a beautiful dark green hull.  I believe it's the first green one he
>>> made.  I loved it.  It was beautiful.  I received a lot of positive
>>> comments on it.  I waxed it every spring.  I put it in mid to late May and
>>> pull it out late September to early October.  The rest of the time it is
>>> protected inside my barn.  I live in Michigan, so the sun isn't nearly as
>>> strong here as it is further south.  About four years ago I noticed that
>>> the hull was starting to fade.  So, the color lasted about six or seven
>>> years before that happened.  Not sure what, if anything, I could have done
>>> differently to prevent that.  I've also tried various products to try to
>>> restore it to no avail so far.  I'm afraid the only thing I can do is to
>>> eventually have it painted.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> > Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots of
>>> info
>>> > regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than white
>>> > hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
>>> > Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about darker
>>> > colors
>>> > in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do you have
>>> > any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per year
>>> > (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other months.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks, Geoff
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:51:58 -0500
>>> From: David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>> Charlie:
>>>
>>> I am about 2.5 hrs south of you in Horseshoe Bay.  I have a 1998 with the
>>> IMF and the new battened main.  I have taken the thing apart several times
>>> since owning the boat to inspect and lubricate it.  It's a very simple
>>> system and shouldn't be giving you these problems.  Take some really good
>>> pictures when you can and I will bet that barring damage to something that
>>> it can be made to work.  Once you get it working, I think you will like it,
>>> especially with the new battened main.  The first question that comes to
>>> mind is.... Is there anyway that the foil tube inside the mast could be
>>> kinked in anyway?  Especially with the new bigger battened main, there is
>>> no
>>> room left inside the mast enclosure and everything must be straight.  The
>>> other thing is the furler tube rigging could be wrapped around something is
>>> shouldn't.  I can't imagine the kind of tension you are having to use, I
>>> can
>>> furl and unfurl mine with one hand as long as the boat is into the wind and
>>> the boom is set slightly to starboard.
>>>
>>> David Culp
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:36:14 -0400
>>> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID: <COL120-W53A38923A105ACD42DC41D9B30 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>> I will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days .... it's
>>> starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
>>> ........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm bragging now
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> Dallas, Texas
>>>
>>> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
>>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> >
>>> > Charlie,
>>> > I'm in SC and can't really hop in the car and come down to see what you
>>> > have. If you could take some detailed digital photos, we might be able to
>>> help
>>> > you. Perhaps there is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing to
>>> > help. Ben is probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
>>> > Lot's of photos showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
>>> We'll
>>> > get this fixed. Trust me.
>>> >
>>> > Rummy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Rummy
>>> >
>>> > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>>> > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today
>>> ....
>>> guess
>>> > I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have been
>>> > fighting this systenm for so long ......
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here .... I
>>> > have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan describes
>>> > and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and don't
>>> get
>>> > me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting here)
>>> > .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and is
>>> too
>>> > thick when coming out .....
>>> >
>>> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>>> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> > >
>>> > > Charlie,
>>> > > Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with your
>>> > > IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>>> > willing
>>> > > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>>> > problem
>>> > > or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it actually
>>> > > works.
>>> > > Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
>>> > trade
>>> > > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>>> > > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little more
>>> > sail cloth.
>>> > > It's a wonderful upgrade.
>>> > > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this forum
>>> > to
>>> > > fix your problem?
>>> > >
>>> > > Rummy
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the IMF
>>> > > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs when
>>> > coming
>>> > > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the mast
>>> > > apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work ....
>>> > currently
>>> > > the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along the
>>> > seam
>>> > > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this, but
>>> > it
>>> > > seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your head
>>> > > against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be glad
>>> > to
>>> > > listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point that
>>> > part of
>>> > > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>>> replace
>>> > > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going to
>>> > keep
>>> > > giving me headaches.....
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Charlie
>>> > >
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
>>> From: pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>>
>>> Charlie,
>>>
>>> This may be an over-simplification because you might also have something
>>> else wrong with your system.  However, over time sails lose their shape
>>> and become "baggy".  Mine is about 11 years old now and I've noticed a
>>> little more difficulty furling and unfurling.  The solution may be as
>>> simple as you just need a new sail (which you said you needed anyway).
>>> Once you get a new sail you may find that your problem is solved.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> >
>>> > The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
>>> fighting
>>> > the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done this
>>> > without replacing the mast?  Any suggestions ??? I could really use the
>>> > advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > Charlie
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>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:03:41 -0400
>>> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID: <COL120-W22BD6B5CA1E1F8450C8D46D9B30 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> I must drive much slower than you cause that trip takes me 3 1/2 hours
>>> ..... but still that is very close,,,,,plus Mother-in-law lives in Temple
>>> ..... maybe next time I am that way I could come out and you could show me
>>> how to make this thing work????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would buy you a beer ..... maybe even a steak to wash it down with ....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:51:58 -0500
>>> > From: dculp at hsbtx.com
>>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> >
>>> > Charlie:
>>> >
>>> > I am about 2.5 hrs south of you in Horseshoe Bay. I have a 1998 with the
>>> > IMF and the new battened main. I have taken the thing apart several times
>>> > since owning the boat to inspect and lubricate it. It's a very simple
>>> > system and shouldn't be giving you these problems. Take some really good
>>> > pictures when you can and I will bet that barring damage to something
>>> that
>>> > it can be made to work. Once you get it working, I think you will like
>>> it,
>>> > especially with the new battened main. The first question that comes to
>>> > mind is.... Is there anyway that the foil tube inside the mast could be
>>> > kinked in anyway? Especially with the new bigger battened main, there is
>>> no
>>> > room left inside the mast enclosure and everything must be straight. The
>>> > other thing is the furler tube rigging could be wrapped around something
>>> is
>>> > shouldn't. I can't imagine the kind of tension you are having to use, I
>>> can
>>> > furl and unfurl mine with one hand as long as the boat is into the wind
>>> and
>>> > the boom is set slightly to starboard.
>>> >
>>> > David Culp
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:36:14 -0400
>>> > From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> > Message-ID: <COL120-W53A38923A105ACD42DC41D9B30 at phx.gbl>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days .... it's
>>> > starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
>>> > ........
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Yeah, I'm bragging now
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Charlie
>>> >
>>> > Dallas, Texas
>>> >
>>> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
>>> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> > >
>>> > > Charlie,
>>> > > I'm in SC and can't really hop in the car and come down to see what you
>>> > > have. If you could take some detailed digital photos, we might be able
>>> to
>>> > help
>>> > > you. Perhaps there is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing to
>>> > > help. Ben is probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
>>> > > Lot's of photos showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
>>> We'll
>>> > > get this fixed. Trust me.
>>> > >
>>> > > Rummy
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Rummy
>>> > >
>>> > > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>>> > > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today
>>> ....
>>> > guess
>>> > > I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have been
>>> > > fighting this systenm for so long ......
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here ....
>>> I
>>> > > have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan
>>> describes
>>> > > and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and
>>> don't
>>> > get
>>> > > me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting here)
>>> > > .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and
>>> is
>>> > too
>>> > > thick when coming out .....
>>> > >
>>> > > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> > > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>>> > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Charlie,
>>> > > > Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>>> your
>>> > > > IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>>> > > willing
>>> > > > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>>> > > problem
>>> > > > or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
>>> actually
>>> > > > works.
>>> > > > Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
>>> > > trade
>>> > > > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>>> > > > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
>>> more
>>> > > sail cloth.
>>> > > > It's a wonderful upgrade.
>>> > > > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
>>> forum
>>> > > to
>>> > > > fix your problem?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Rummy
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> > > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
>>> IMF
>>> > > > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs when
>>> > > coming
>>> > > > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
>>> mast
>>> > > > apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work ....
>>> > > currently
>>> > > > the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along the
>>> > > seam
>>> > > > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
>>> but
>>> > > it
>>> > > > seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
>>> head
>>> > > > against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>>> glad
>>> > > to
>>> > > > listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point that
>>> > > part of
>>> > > > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>>> replace
>>> > > > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going to
>>> > > keep
>>> > > > giving me headaches.....
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Charlie
>>> > > >
>>> > > > _________________________________________________________________
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>>> > > with
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>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:14:47 -0500
>>> From: "Ben Schultz" <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>> Charlie -- There's a pretty good chance that I'll have a chore for a
>>> relative that brings me to the Dallas area for a couple of days.  Not sure
>>> when I'll work it in, but it would be some time between now and football
>>> season.  I'll definitely let you know when I know that I'm going to be out
>>> there.  Would rather fix your sail and maybe get in a little lake time than
>>> spend time with my Dallas people anyway.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that GB does indeed have an inventory of slightly used sails; I
>>> may be in the position to buy one (or maybe even one and a backup).  I blew
>>> a rip in the seam of my main earlier in the spring.  Spent a cold, rainy
>>> day
>>> taping/sewing it back up, and then this weekend, in huge Alex-driven gusts,
>>> I pretty well shredded the seam between normal sailcloth and sunbrulla (or
>>> whatever the sun-proof fabric is).  I don't think I can repair it now.
>>>
>>> The timing is good (or maybe coincidentally bad), because I heard on Monday
>>> that tar balls and an oil sheen have made their way to the channel where
>>> our
>>> lake lets out into the gulf.  I'm docked on the East side, which is closest
>>> to the Gulf, so I'm inclined to put her on the trailer for a couple of
>>> weeks
>>> (months?/years?) anyway.  I'm bidding on a job that would bring me to a
>>> town
>>> fairly close to Edenton every month, so maybe I can squeeze in some time to
>>> drop in on Stan for some shopping.
>>>
>>> Rummy -- I'm also planning a 2+ week trip around the Southeast, visiting
>>> various friends, lakes, and beaches.  If my travels bring me close to
>>> Hartwell, I'll give you a call to see if you're up for polishing off a
>>> bottle of Mt. Gay on Rum Runner.  It would be somewhere in the timeframe
>>> where July turns into August, but I'll let you know more when I make a
>>> better plan.
>>>
>>> Happy Sailing!
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:40 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>>
>>> Good memory John!
>>>
>>> We have found that the angle of the boom does make a big difference.
>>> Slightly below horizontal seems to work for us. If the boom is
>>> horizontal or above, it gets wrinkles as it furls. In fact if  feel
>>> any resistance to furling, we stop, let out the topping lift and then furl
>>> it.
>>>
>>> We do have some problems with the furling line jamming in the
>>> fittings at the end of the boom but never with the sail itself
>>> jamming except twice.
>>>
>>> Once was very early on and we got a secondary halyard wrapped in with
>>> it - had to cut the halyard and pull it free (nothing was on it -
>>> it's the one we now use for the UPS.)
>>>
>>> The second time was recently after we had gotten our new vertical
>>> batten main and it seems to have jammed because the fabric of the
>>> sail wasn't wrapped tightly enough around the furling tube. We
>>> refurled, pulling on the outhaul to get a tighter wrap of the sail
>>> and then we were able to deploy the sail without too much trouble. We
>>> are trying to keep a little tension on the furling line so we get a
>>> tight wrap - just like you would with a jib furler but too much
>>> tension and it won't furl. The new sail is so much crisper than the
>>> old sail that it has a tendency to want to wrap loosely so right now
>>> (we've only sailed with it a 3 or 4 times) we are watching that
>>> carefully as we furl. I suspect it will be better once the fabric
>>> gets some memory for being wrapped around the tube.
>>>
>>> Charlie, some other things occur to me.
>>>
>>> You have had this problem for a long time and say your sail is pretty
>>> beat up. It could be that the condition of the sail itself is causing
>>> part of the problem.
>>>
>>> You mention something about the sail being "too thick" coming out. I
>>> assume you mean because of the wrinkles which even if you drop your
>>> boom may be nearly permanent because you've had the problem for such
>>> a long time. The only other thing I can think of that would make it
>>> thick is if you trying to furl it too far. The sail is supposed to
>>> furl so that the forward edge of the suncover is just inside the
>>> slot. The sun  cover should be mostly exposed so that you have a
>>> visible triangle of (suncovered) sail.
>>>
>>> An intermediate step in your dilemma might be to look for a used main
>>> in better condition than the one you have. I know that several people
>>> on the list have replaced their furling main with the new vertical
>>> batten sail. When we did that, we asked Stan if he wanted the sail
>>> and he said he had too many of them and no market. He might be
>>> willing to sell you one of those cheap. Might even take it in trade
>>> on a vertical batten sail if you get the system working and decide
>>> that is what you want.
>>>
>>> Heck we'd sell you our old main cheap + shipping but it's somewhat
>>> soft and a little baggy (no rips or tears) - Stan may have one in
>>> newer condition.
>>>
>>> Trying to adapt your current mast to a standard bolt rope, sail slug
>>> or sail track system seems to me to be a daunting task involving
>>> something kluged together to deal with the wide slot of the IMF mast.
>>> It would probably be as cheap to trade mast and rigging with someone
>>> including the shipping costs.
>>>
>>> Someone mentioned poor sail shape because of the IMF and the
>>> loosefooted main. The "poor sail shape" is strictly the result of the
>>> cut of the IMF main (flat so it will furl and no roach so it will
>>> furl) and has nothing to do with the loosefooted part. Many racing
>>> boats use loosefooted mains which actually give you more control over
>>> the shape of the sail.
>>>
>>> Hope some of this is applicable to the problem.
>>>
>>> Mary Lou
>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>> where there is a nice breeze but it is just too darned hot to sail
>>> Charlie - send us some of that rain, we need it badly!
>>>
>>>
>>> At 02:37 PM 7/7/2010, you wrote:
>>> >Charlie,
>>> >
>>> >You might try some searches in the list  archives because I know this
>>> >topic has been discussed before.  You are not alone in having a
>>> >struggle with IMF furling from time to time.  However, it seems that
>>> >most have overcome the problems with minor changes in procedure and
>>> >setup, or proper lubrication, etc.
>>> >
>>> >For example, I remember one response (Mary Lou maybe?) that said the
>>> >angle of the boom to the mast when operating the furler was fairly
>>> >critical to getting a smooth furl.  Too low or too high and the sail
>>> >bunches up in the mast?  Going from memory here, so I may not have the
>>> >details right...
>>> >
>>> >Cheers!
>>> >John Lock
>>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>> >Lake Sinclair, GA
>>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Jul 7, 2010, at 13:58, Charles Nieman wrote:
>>> > > Rummy
>>> > >
>>> > > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>>> > > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until
>>> > > today .... guess I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might
>>> > > explain why I have been fighting this systenm for so long ......
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out
>>> > > here .... I have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the
>>> > > way Stan describes and even tried some of the approaches noted in
>>> > > these responses (and don't get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to
>>> > > massive response I am getting here) .... nothing seems to help...the
>>> > > sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and is too thick when coming
>>> > > out  .....
>>> > >
>>> > >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> > >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>>> > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Charlie,
>>> > >> Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>>> > >> your
>>> > >> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>>> > >> willing
>>> > >> to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>>> > >> problem
>>> > >> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
>>> > >> actually
>>> > >> works.
>>> > >> Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
>>> > >> to trade
>>> > >> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>>> > >> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
>>> > >> more sail cloth.
>>> > >> It's a wonderful upgrade.
>>> > >> One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
>>> > >> forum to
>>> > >> fix your problem?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Rummy
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> > >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
>>> > >> IMF
>>> > >> .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
>>> > >> when coming
>>> > >> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
>>> > >> mast
>>> > >> apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to
>>> > >> work .... currently
>>> > >> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along
>>> > >> the seam
>>> > >> .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
>>> > >> but it
>>> > >> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
>>> > >> head
>>> > >> against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>>> > >> glad to
>>> > >> listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
>>> > >> that part of
>>> > >> my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>>> > >> replace
>>> > >> the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
>>> > >> to keep
>>> > >> giving me headaches.....
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Charlie
>>> > >>
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>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:20:40 -0600
>>> From: Rhodes Net <bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID: <5FAB3812-6EC7-44A6-9D4D-36C5FA0535DA at bellsouth.net>
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>>>
>>> Another option or two:
>>>
>>> Stan has improved the bearings.  Order new ones.
>>>
>>> Get a new sail.  If what you have is salvageable, send to Sail Care for
>>> "repair and renewing."
>>>
>>> I'll be in Dallas in Oct if you haven't figured it out by then.
>>>
>>> Bob on the "NoKaOi 3". 14 year R22 with IMF guy!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > David
>>> >
>>> > I must drive much slower than you cause that trip takes me 3 1/2 hours
>>> ..... but still that is very close,,,,,plus Mother-in-law lives in Temple
>>> ..... maybe next time I am that way I could come out and you could show me
>>> how to make this thing work????
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I would buy you a beer ..... maybe even a steak to wash it down with ....
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Charlie
>>> >
>>> >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:51:58 -0500
>>> >> From: dculp at hsbtx.com
>>> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> >>
>>> >> Charlie:
>>> >>
>>> >> I am about 2.5 hrs south of you in Horseshoe Bay. I have a 1998 with the
>>> >> IMF and the new battened main. I have taken the thing apart several
>>> times
>>> >> since owning the boat to inspect and lubricate it. It's a very simple
>>> >> system and shouldn't be giving you these problems. Take some really good
>>> >> pictures when you can and I will bet that barring damage to something
>>> that
>>> >> it can be made to work. Once you get it working, I think you will like
>>> it,
>>> >> especially with the new battened main. The first question that comes to
>>> >> mind is.... Is there anyway that the foil tube inside the mast could be
>>> >> kinked in anyway? Especially with the new bigger battened main, there is
>>> no
>>> >> room left inside the mast enclosure and everything must be straight. The
>>> >> other thing is the furler tube rigging could be wrapped around something
>>> is
>>> >> shouldn't. I can't imagine the kind of tension you are having to use, I
>>> can
>>> >> furl and unfurl mine with one hand as long as the boat is into the wind
>>> and
>>> >> the boom is set slightly to starboard.
>>> >>
>>> >> David Culp
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:36:14 -0400
>>> >> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >> Message-ID: <COL120-W53A38923A105ACD42DC41D9B30 at phx.gbl>
>>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days .... it's
>>> >> starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
>>> >> ........
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Yeah, I'm bragging now
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Charlie
>>> >>
>>> >> Dallas, Texas
>>> >>
>>> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> >>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
>>> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Charlie,
>>> >>> I'm in SC and can't really hop in the car and come down to see what you
>>> >>> have. If you could take some detailed digital photos, we might be able
>>> to
>>> >> help
>>> >>> you. Perhaps there is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing to
>>> >>> help. Ben is probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
>>> >>> Lot's of photos showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
>>> We'll
>>> >>> get this fixed. Trust me.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Rummy
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> >>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Rummy
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>>> >>> October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today
>>> ....
>>> >> guess
>>> >>> I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have been
>>> >>> fighting this systenm for so long ......
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here ....
>>> I
>>> >>> have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan
>>> describes
>>> >>> and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and
>>> don't
>>> >> get
>>> >>> me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting here)
>>> >>> .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and
>>> is
>>> >> too
>>> >>> thick when coming out .....
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>>> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Charlie,
>>> >>>> Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>>> your
>>> >>>> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>>> >>> willing
>>> >>>> to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>>> >>> problem
>>> >>>> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
>>> actually
>>> >>>> works.
>>> >>>> Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
>>> >>> trade
>>> >>>> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>>> >>>> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little more
>>> >>> sail cloth.
>>> >>>> It's a wonderful upgrade.
>>> >>>> One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
>>> forum
>>> >>> to
>>> >>>> fix your problem?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Rummy
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> >>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
>>> IMF
>>> >>>> .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs when
>>> >>> coming
>>> >>>> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
>>> mast
>>> >>>> apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work ....
>>> >>> currently
>>> >>>> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along the
>>> >>> seam
>>> >>>> .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
>>> but
>>> >>> it
>>> >>>> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your head
>>> >>>> against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>>> glad
>>> >>> to
>>> >>>> listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point that
>>> >>> part of
>>> >>>> my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>>> replace
>>> >>>> the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going to
>>> >>> keep
>>> >>>> giving me headaches.....
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Charlie
>>> >>>>
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>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:42:32 -0400
>>> From: "Jim Connolly" <jbconnolly at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>> I make no claims as to expertise, but I have had only infrequent problems
>>> with the IMF, and they are usually traceable to need for lubrication or
>>> operator error.  I furl two handed with the aft end of the boom over the
>>> starboard gunwale.  The mainsheet is slack at this point.  I pull the black
>>> furling line with my right hand and maintain a slight tension with my left
>>> on the blue outhaul line (also ensuring that the outhaul line stays out of
>>> the cam cleat).  If the boom is level with the mast, the sail usually furls
>>> without bunching.
>>>
>>> I keep my boat on a mooring, so even if it bunches, I wait until I am
>>> moored, adjust the boom and repeat until I am satisfied.  I had my topping
>>> lift marked for the perfect position to furl, but the mark wore off over
>>> the
>>> winter.  I am still finding my way back to the proper adjustment for the
>>> topping lift.
>>>
>>> I lubricate when required with WD-40.  This can be done on the lower
>>> bearing
>>> even when the mast is up.  Jam a bunch of paper towels in the mast slot
>>> beneath the bushing to absorb the excess and use the straw to hit the wear
>>> points.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Jim Connolly
>>> s/v Inisheer
>>> '85 recycled '03
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Charles Nieman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:59 PM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>>
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>> Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in October
>>> of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today .... guess I
>>> am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have been
>>> fighting this systenm for so long ......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here .... I
>>> have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan describes
>>> and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and don't
>>> get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting here)
>>> .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and is
>>> too thick when coming out  .....
>>>
>>> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> >
>>> > Charlie,
>>> > Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with your
>>> > IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>>> willing
>>> > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>>> problem
>>>
>>> > or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it actually
>>> > works.
>>> > Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
>>> trade
>>>
>>> > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>>> > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little more
>>> sail cloth.
>>> > It's a wonderful upgrade.
>>> > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this forum
>>> to
>>>
>>> > fix your problem?
>>> >
>>> > Rummy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the IMF
>>> > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs when
>>> coming
>>> > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the mast
>>> > apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work ....
>>> currently
>>> > the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along the
>>> seam
>>>
>>> > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this, but
>>> it
>>>
>>> > seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your head
>>> > against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be glad
>>> to
>>>
>>> > listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point that
>>> part
>>> of
>>> > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to replace
>>> > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going to
>>> keep
>>>
>>> > giving me headaches.....
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Charlie
>>> >
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>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 18:39:14 -0500
>>> From: Geoff Farrell <geoffreylfarrell at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Paul: Have you tried this....
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.303products.com/shop303/index.cfm/category/109/restoring-gelcoat-fiberglass.cfm
>>>
>>> I use this stuff on the vinyl seats of my pontoon boat (seats are off white
>>> and maroon). The boat is 12 year old and when people come aboard they think
>>> it's new. This is an expensive product but in my opinion it is worth it.
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:42 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Geoff,
>>> >
>>> > If you look around, you will see that most sailboats have white hulls.
>>> > There is a reason for that.  I bought mine brand new from Stan in 1999
>>> > with a beautiful dark green hull.  I believe it's the first green one he
>>> > made.  I loved it.  It was beautiful.  I received a lot of positive
>>> > comments on it.  I waxed it every spring.  I put it in mid to late May
>>> and
>>> > pull it out late September to early October.  The rest of the time it is
>>> > protected inside my barn.  I live in Michigan, so the sun isn't nearly as
>>> > strong here as it is further south.  About four years ago I noticed that
>>> > the hull was starting to fade.  So, the color lasted about six or seven
>>> > years before that happened.  Not sure what, if anything, I could have
>>> done
>>> > differently to prevent that.  I've also tried various products to try to
>>> > restore it to no avail so far.  I'm afraid the only thing I can do is to
>>> > eventually have it painted.
>>> >
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>>> > > Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots of
>>> > info
>>> > > regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than white
>>> > > hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
>>> > > Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about darker
>>> > > colors
>>> > > in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do you
>>> have
>>> > > any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per year
>>> > > (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other months.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks, Geoff
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>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:58:26 EDT
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <100eb.20c79b59.39666ea2 at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> Charlie,
>>> You can send all the rain you don't need our way. It's dry again in  SC.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:36:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> I  will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days .... it's
>>> starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
>>> ........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm bragging  now
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> Dallas, Texas
>>>
>>> > From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
>>> > To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of  IMF
>>> >
>>> > Charlie,
>>> > I'm in SC and can't really hop in the  car and come down to see what you
>>> > have. If you could take some  detailed digital photos, we might be able
>>> to help
>>> > you. Perhaps there  is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing to
>>> > help. Ben is  probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
>>> > Lot's of photos  showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
>>> We'll
>>> > get this  fixed. Trust me.
>>> >
>>> > Rummy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > In a message  dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> >  blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Rummy
>>> >
>>> > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>>> > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today
>>> .... guess
>>> > I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain  why I have been
>>> > fighting this systenm for so long ......
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many  Rhodes out here .... I
>>> > have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the  outhaul the way Stan
>>> describes
>>> > and even tried some of the approaches  noted in these responses (and
>>> don't get
>>> > me wrong ... I REALLY  appreciate to massive response I am getting here)
>>> > .... nothing seems  to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and
>>> is too
>>> > thick when  coming out .....
>>> >
>>> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> >  > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>>> > > To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of  IMF
>>> > >
>>> > > Charlie,
>>> > > Yes, you are the only  person on this planet that has problems with
>>> your
>>> > > IMF. Where are  you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>>> > willing
>>> >  > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>>> > problem
>>> > > or something as simple as a lack of  understanding as to how it
>>> actually
>>> > > works.
>>> > > Rest  assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
>>> > trade
>>> > > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>>> > > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a  little more
>>> > sail cloth.
>>> > > It's a wonderful  upgrade.
>>> > > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to  find this
>>> forum
>>> > to
>>> > > fix your problem?
>>> > >
>>> > > Rummy
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > In a message  dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> > >  blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >  Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
>>> IMF
>>> > > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs  when
>>> > coming
>>> > > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull  it in, I have taken the
>>> mast
>>> > > apart two or three times trying to  understand and get it to work ....
>>> > currently
>>> > > the edge  of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along the
>>> > seam
>>> > > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use  this,
>>> but
>>> > it
>>> > > seems to me that sooner or later one  decides to stop banging your head
>>> > > against the wall just to see  if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>>> glad
>>> > to
>>> > > listen to  advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point that
>>> > part of
>>> > > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>>> replace
>>> > > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail  that is going to
>>> > keep
>>> > > giving me headaches.....
>>> >  >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Charlie
>>> > >
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>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:27:47 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>>  The IMF mast is taller than the standard main. I had Mike Cheungs' boat
>>> (09
>>> recycle) and my (71 original) side by side and he looked 1 to 2 ft taller
>>> easy. You would need new rigging but you might save on the genoa by having
>>> it re-cut.
>>>
>>> John S
>>>
>>>
>>> jlock wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Looking past the obvious "why would you do that?!" question, I wonder
>>> > how feasible that downgrade would be?  Seems like most of the standing
>>> > rigging would have to be resized or replaced due to differing mast
>>> > height or attachment points.  Could you still use the same genoa?  Or
>>> > would that also need to be resized/replaced?  Speaking from ignorance
>>> > here...  I don't know what (if any) dimensional differences there are
>>> > between standard and IMF rigs.
>>> >
>>> > But if it were feasible, how about we just swap?  I'll take your IMF
>>> > rig and you can have my standard rig ;-)
>>> >
>>> > Cheers!
>>> > John Lock
>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> > s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>> > Lake Sinclair, GA
>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:04, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>> >> Charlie,
>>> >> What in the hell are you drinking anyway? Nobody in their right mind
>>> >> would
>>> >> want to replace an IMF with a standard main. What gives here???????
>>> >>
>>> >> Rummy
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 11:37:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> The  sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
>>> >> fighting
>>> >> the IMF  and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done
>>> >> this
>>> >> without  replacing the mast?  Any suggestions ??? I could really use
>>> >> the
>>> >> advise of  all you experienced Rhodes guys out there  ..
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >>
>>> >> Charlie
>>> >>
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>>> Message: 15
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:34:35 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>>
>>> Charlie,
>>>
>>> Here is the link for the company that makes the standard mast for the
>>> rhodes
>>> 22. They should have every thing you need to do the conversion.
>>>
>>> http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=20&cat1Name=Masts&familyID=40&
>>>
>>>
>>> John S
>>>
>>>
>>> blue66corvette wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
>>> fighting
>>> > the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done this
>>> > without replacing the mast?  Any suggestions ??? I could really use the
>>> > advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > Charlie
>>> >
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>>> ------------------------------
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>>> Message: 16
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:40:21 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>>
>>>
>>> 2nd try
>>>
>>>
>>> John Shulick wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Charlie,
>>> >
>>> > Here is the link for the company that makes the standard mast for the
>>> > rhodes 22. They should have every thing you need to do the conversion.
>>> >
>>> http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=20&cat1Name=Masts&familyID=40&
>>> > ">
>>> http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=20&cat1Name=Masts&familyID=40&">
>>> >
>>> > John S
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > blue66corvette wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
>>> >> fighting the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone
>>> >> done this without replacing the mast?  Any suggestions ??? I could
>>> really
>>> >> use the advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >>
>>> >> Charlie
>>> >>
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>>> Message: 17
>>> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 06:40:25 EDT
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>>
>>> Ben,
>>> Our guest bedroom is always available, as is Rum Runner.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/7/2010 5:15:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com writes:
>>>
>>> Charlie  -- There's a pretty good chance that I'll have a chore for a
>>> relative that  brings me to the Dallas area for a couple of days.  Not sure
>>> when I'll  work it in, but it would be some time between now and  football
>>> season.  I'll definitely let you know when I know that I'm  going to be out
>>> there.  Would rather fix your sail and maybe get in a  little lake time
>>> than
>>> spend time with my Dallas people anyway.
>>>
>>> I'm  hoping that GB does indeed have an inventory of slightly used sails; I
>>> may  be in the position to buy one (or maybe even one and a backup).  I
>>> blew
>>> a rip in the seam of my main earlier in the spring.  Spent a  cold, rainy
>>> day
>>> taping/sewing it back up, and then this weekend, in huge  Alex-driven
>>> gusts,
>>> I pretty well shredded the seam between normal sailcloth  and sunbrulla (or
>>> whatever the sun-proof fabric is).  I don't think I  can repair it now.
>>>
>>> The timing is good (or maybe coincidentally bad),  because I heard on
>>> Monday
>>> that tar balls and an oil sheen have made their  way to the channel where
>>> our
>>> lake lets out into the gulf.  I'm docked  on the East side, which is
>>> closest
>>> to the Gulf, so I'm inclined to put her  on the trailer for a couple of
>>> weeks
>>> (months?/years?) anyway.  I'm  bidding on a job that would bring me to a
>>> town
>>> fairly close to Edenton  every month, so maybe I can squeeze in some time
>>> to
>>> drop in on Stan for  some shopping.
>>>
>>> Rummy -- I'm also planning a 2+ week trip around the  Southeast, visiting
>>> various friends, lakes, and beaches.  If my  travels bring me close to
>>> Hartwell, I'll give you a call to see if you're  up for polishing off a
>>> bottle of Mt. Gay on Rum Runner.  It would be  somewhere in the timeframe
>>> where July turns into August, but I'll let you  know more when I make a
>>> better plan.
>>>
>>> Happy  Sailing!
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:40 PM
>>> To:  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of  IMF
>>>
>>> Good memory John!
>>>
>>> We have found that the angle of the boom  does make a big difference.
>>> Slightly below horizontal seems to work for  us. If the boom is
>>> horizontal or above, it gets wrinkles as it furls. In  fact if  feel
>>> any resistance to furling, we stop, let out the topping  lift and then furl
>>> it.
>>>
>>> We do have some problems with the furling  line jamming in the
>>> fittings at the end of the boom but never with the  sail itself
>>> jamming except twice.
>>>
>>> Once was very early on and we got  a secondary halyard wrapped in with
>>> it - had to cut the halyard and pull  it free (nothing was on it -
>>> it's the one we now use for the  UPS.)
>>>
>>> The second time was recently after we had gotten our new vertical
>>> batten main and it seems to have jammed because the fabric of the
>>> sail  wasn't wrapped tightly enough around the furling tube. We
>>> refurled,  pulling on the outhaul to get a tighter wrap of the sail
>>> and then we were  able to deploy the sail without too much trouble. We
>>> are trying to keep a  little tension on the furling line so we get a
>>> tight wrap - just like you  would with a jib furler but too much
>>> tension and it won't furl. The new  sail is so much crisper than the
>>> old sail that it has a tendency to want  to wrap loosely so right now
>>> (we've only sailed with it a 3 or 4 times) we  are watching that
>>> carefully as we furl. I suspect it will be better once  the fabric
>>> gets some memory for being wrapped around the  tube.
>>>
>>> Charlie, some other things occur to me.
>>>
>>> You have had this  problem for a long time and say your sail is pretty
>>> beat up. It could be  that the condition of the sail itself is causing
>>> part of the  problem.
>>>
>>> You mention something about the sail being "too thick" coming  out. I
>>> assume you mean because of the wrinkles which even if you drop your
>>> boom may be nearly permanent because you've had the problem for such
>>> a  long time. The only other thing I can think of that would make it
>>> thick is  if you trying to furl it too far. The sail is supposed to
>>> furl so that the  forward edge of the suncover is just inside the
>>> slot. The sun  cover  should be mostly exposed so that you have a
>>> visible triangle of  (suncovered) sail.
>>>
>>> An intermediate step in your dilemma might be to  look for a used main
>>> in better condition than the one you have. I know  that several people
>>> on the list have replaced their furling main with the  new vertical
>>> batten sail. When we did that, we asked Stan if he wanted the  sail
>>> and he said he had too many of them and no market. He might be
>>> willing to sell you one of those cheap. Might even take it in trade
>>> on  a vertical batten sail if you get the system working and decide
>>> that is  what you want.
>>>
>>> Heck we'd sell you our old main cheap + shipping but  it's somewhat
>>> soft and a little baggy (no rips or tears) - Stan may have  one in
>>> newer condition.
>>>
>>> Trying to adapt your current mast to a  standard bolt rope, sail slug
>>> or sail track system seems to me to be a  daunting task involving
>>> something kluged together to deal with the wide  slot of the IMF mast.
>>> It would probably be as cheap to trade mast and  rigging with someone
>>> including the shipping costs.
>>>
>>> Someone  mentioned poor sail shape because of the IMF and the
>>> loosefooted main. The  "poor sail shape" is strictly the result of the
>>> cut of the IMF main (flat  so it will furl and no roach so it will
>>> furl) and has nothing to do with  the loosefooted part. Many racing
>>> boats use loosefooted mains which  actually give you more control over
>>> the shape of the sail.
>>>
>>> Hope  some of this is applicable to the problem.
>>>
>>> Mary Lou
>>> 1991 R22  Fretless
>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>> where there is a nice breeze but it is just too  darned hot to sail
>>> Charlie - send us some of that rain, we need it  badly!
>>>
>>>
>>> At 02:37 PM 7/7/2010, you  wrote:
>>> >Charlie,
>>> >
>>> >You might try some searches in the  list  archives because I know this
>>> >topic has been discussed  before.  You are not alone in having a
>>> >struggle with IMF furling  from time to time.  However, it seems that
>>> >most have overcome the  problems with minor changes in procedure and
>>> >setup, or proper  lubrication, etc.
>>> >
>>> >For example, I remember one response (Mary  Lou maybe?) that said the
>>> >angle of the boom to the mast when operating  the furler was fairly
>>> >critical to getting a smooth furl.  Too low  or too high and the sail
>>> >bunches up in the mast?  Going from  memory here, so I may not have the
>>> >details  right...
>>> >
>>> >Cheers!
>>> >John  Lock
>>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>> >Lake  Sinclair, GA
>>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Jul 7, 2010,  at 13:58, Charles Nieman wrote:
>>> > > Rummy
>>> > >
>>> > >  Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>>> >  > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until
>>> >  > today .... guess I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might
>>> >  > explain why I have been fighting this systenm for so long ......
>>> >  >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Located in Dallas, Texas ....  don't see very many Rhodes out
>>> > > here .... I have lubricated parts  ... tried to rig the outhaul the
>>> > > way Stan describes and even  tried some of the approaches noted in
>>> > > these responses (and don't  get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to
>>> > > massive response I am  getting here) .... nothing seems to help...the
>>> > > sail ALWAYS folds  when pulling in and is too thick when coming
>>> > > out   .....
>>> > >
>>> > >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> >  >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>>> > >> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired  of IMF
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Charlie,
>>> > >> Yes, you  are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>>> > >>  your
>>> > >> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable  Rhodie would be
>>> > >> willing
>>> > >> to help figure out  your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>>> > >>  problem
>>> > >> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as  to how it
>>> > >> actually
>>> > >> works.
>>> > >>  Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
>>> >  >> to trade
>>> > >> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF  sail design which is
>>> > >> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten  to the sail and a little
>>> > >> more sail cloth.
>>> > >>  It's a wonderful upgrade.
>>> > >> One last question? Why did it take  you fifteen years to find this
>>> > >> forum to
>>> > >> fix  your problem?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Rummy
>>> > >>
>>> >  >>
>>> > >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,
>>> > >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>> >  >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Apparently I am the only one in the  world that has trouble with the
>>> > >> IMF
>>> > >> .... I  have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
>>> > >> when  coming
>>> > >> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I  have taken the
>>> > >> mast
>>> > >> apart two or three times  trying to understand and get it to
>>> > >> work ....  currently
>>> > >> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and  has torn along
>>> > >> the seam
>>> > >> .... I am apparently  pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
>>> > >> but it
>>> >  >> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging  your
>>> > >> head
>>> > >> against the wall just to see if  the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>>> > >> glad to
>>> > >>  listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
>>> >  >> that part of
>>> > >> my problem is the duct tape holding the  sail together, I HAVE to
>>> > >> replace
>>> > >> the sail,  and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
>>> > >> to  keep
>>> > >> giving me headaches.....
>>> > >>
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>>> Message: 18
>>> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:36:11 -0400 (EDT)
>>> From: pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>> Geoff,
>>>
>>> No, I haven't.  Thanks for the tip.  I'll try it this spring.  If it
>>> works, I'd get another dark hull in a heartbeat.  Otherwise, I'd probably
>>> switch to white.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> > Paul: Have you tried this....
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.303products.com/shop303/index.cfm/category/109/restoring-gelcoat-fiberglass.cfm
>>> >
>>> > I use this stuff on the vinyl seats of my pontoon boat (seats are off
>>> > white
>>> > and maroon). The boat is 12 year old and when people come aboard they
>>> > think
>>> > it's new. This is an expensive product but in my opinion it is worth it.
>>> > Geoff
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:42 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Geoff,
>>> >>
>>> >> If you look around, you will see that most sailboats have white hulls.
>>> >> There is a reason for that.  I bought mine brand new from Stan in 1999
>>> >> with a beautiful dark green hull.  I believe it's the first green one he
>>> >> made.  I loved it.  It was beautiful.  I received a lot of positive
>>> >> comments on it.  I waxed it every spring.  I put it in mid to late May
>>> >> and
>>> >> pull it out late September to early October.  The rest of the time it is
>>> >> protected inside my barn.  I live in Michigan, so the sun isn't nearly
>>> >> as
>>> >> strong here as it is further south.  About four years ago I noticed that
>>> >> the hull was starting to fade.  So, the color lasted about six or seven
>>> >> years before that happened.  Not sure what, if anything, I could have
>>> >> done
>>> >> differently to prevent that.  I've also tried various products to try to
>>> >> restore it to no avail so far.  I'm afraid the only thing I can do is to
>>> >> eventually have it painted.
>>> >>
>>> >> Paul
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots of
>>> >> info
>>> >> > regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than
>>> >> white
>>> >> > hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
>>> >> > Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about darker
>>> >> > colors
>>> >> > in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do you
>>> >> have
>>> >> > any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per
>>> >> year
>>> >> > (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other
>>> >> months.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks, Geoff
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>>> Message: 19
>>> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:54:05 -0400
>>> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>>
>>> It's becoming clearer to me now ......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to all for the GREAT input and convincing that I should try one more
>>> time to get this thing to work .... I called Stan this morning to get new
>>> bearings etc...talked with him about replacing the sail (cause part of the
>>> problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, and I already knew
>>> that); when I pointed out to Stan that my furling tube did not have a groove
>>> for the sail to attach to but used a system of a sleeve in the luff of the
>>> sail to slide the tube into, Stan  responded that I would have to get a new
>>> tube because all of the bearings etc are designed to attach to the newer
>>> tubes with the groove for the sail rope to feed into ...... frieght from NC
>>> to Dallas is going to be the real problem ......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But at least I am begining to really understand what my problem is ....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie
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