[Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina

Arthur H. Czerwonky czerwonky at earthlink.net
Tue Mar 9 16:51:59 EST 2010 

Parts of the Potomac are quite shallow, and this may be the case here.  At least some of the airport, not too distant from this marina, was built onto landfill.  You may be able to get a depth, Mark.  

Art


-----Original Message-----
>From: mputnam1 at aol.com
>Sent: Mar 9, 2010 12:24 PM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
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>Stan's right -- we can't know for sure if the boat was floating in the picture -- there are fairly significant tides in the marina, so who knows if it's low or high tide.  I can't find the photos to take a look at the docks relative to the land.
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>Mark P.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 12:25 pm
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
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>Stan:
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>Given the other boats floating nearby I would say that the Rhodes is floating.
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>Christopher P. Cowie    
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>4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW 
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] 
>On Behalf Of stan
>Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
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>thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if the 
>boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in keeping 
>the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
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>ss
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
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>>
>> Stan:
>>
>> I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes 22 
>> at
>> the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded 
>> with
>> water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
>>
>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
>>
>> Cowie
>> R22 2009 Opus
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>> stanleyl wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I am
>>> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were completely
>>> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that 
>>> question
>>> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
>>> never
>>> completely submerged.   Were any others?
>>>
>>> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
>>> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
>>> their
>>> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
>>> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were sitting
>>> on
>>> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation level.
>>>
>>> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive 
>>> for
>>> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
>>> showed
>>> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
>>> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches 
>>> the
>>> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall
>>> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
>>> lifted
>>> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and they
>>> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
>>>
>>> stan/gbi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
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>>>>
>>>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
>>>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
>>>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
>>>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took
>>>> on water and went down.
>>>>
>>>> Mark P.
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>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
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>>>>
>>>> Stan,
>>>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
>>>> went
>>>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
>>>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
>>>> the
>>>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
>>>> probably
>>>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
>>>> chance of
>>>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with 
>>>> water
>>>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
>>>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went 
>>>> down
>>>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back 
>>>> up,
>>>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
>>>> waiting
>>>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that was
>>>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
>>>> owner
>>>> ad her  raised.
>>>>
>>>> ummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
>>>> Dave,
>>>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
>>>> ompletely
>>>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still 
>>>> above
>>>> ater  level?
>>>> stan/gbi
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