[Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation

Wed Mar 10 02:26:57 EST 2010

Lee,

	You have nailed it, er uh, I mean uh.......

Chris Da Greek G
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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of KUHN, LELAND
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 06:13
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation

Chris da Greek,

How's this?  "...she rolled over like a cheap, well-Rhode oar."

Lee
1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Kent Island, MD

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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geankoplis
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:44 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation

Hey Stan,
	Don't forget my similar experience when my 1st Rhodes (76) was
turned turtle and the mast driven into the mud.  All I did was pull the
cleaves pins and tabernacle bolt and voila' she rolled over like a cheap
uh,
uh, I need another analogy here.  Anyway, It took two frantic guys with
5
gallon buckets a very short time to have her pretty much empty of water.
The boat with standard mast floated well above the gunnels as I remember
so
bailing wasn't a problem.
Chris  da Greek G

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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 08:15
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina

Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
am 
still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
completely 
submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
question 
to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
never

completely submerged.   Were any others?

If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was

still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
their 
decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no 
positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
sitting on

the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
level.

I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
for 
us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
showed 
that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the 
cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
the 
cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall 
hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
lifted

his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
they 
disconnected the mast and were able to right it.

stan/gbi

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From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina

>
> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I

> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and

> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats

> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
took 
> on water and went down.
>
> Mark P.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> Stan,
> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
went
> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
the
> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
probably
> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best 
> chance of
> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
water
> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
down
> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
up,
> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom 
> waiting
> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
was
> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the

> owner
> ad her  raised.
>
> ummy
>
>
> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> Dave,
> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> ompletely
> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
above
> ater  level?
> stan/gbi
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