[Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for and more!

[David Culp]

Rick:

I believe you are right.  I've seen about 5.6 in those conditions
single-handed.  I don't think I have the fastest boat in the fleet and
the bottom likely needs cleaning .  Also, my boat is faster on one
tack vs. the other.  I haven't quite figured that out yet-maybe the
rigging is out, but I think the port tack is faster because I have the
motor and rear battery on that side to help me ballast wise.
Additionally, my 175 is old and blown out and that is a disadvantage
because I am losing power due to heel.

Once I get this new 135% on the freshly bottomed boat, I will do some
experimenting in the same conditions and see what the result is...
hopefully a wash with just me on the boat.






Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:02:10 -0400
From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
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David,

You should be able to sail at hull speed with the 175 genny and IMF on a
broad reach single handed in 12 knots of wind.  Closer hauled, it takes more
weight.

For the standard main, the PHRF for JAM comes out to a little over 200
seconds.  For the IMF, it is about 275, but only a measurement will give you
a real number.

Rick

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:35 PM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com> wrote:

> I think there is a misunderstanding here.  I have seen hull speed one
> time in my Rhodes.  That was with a Flying Scot jib tied on the my
> forestay in 20+ winds with one other person on board and we were both
> out on the rail.  It was an experiment we were doing that showed me
> that size doesn't matter when you have the wind.  Hold a hanky up in a
> hurricane for instance.
>
> I was referring to how the Portsmouth handicapping tables are
> calculated for the Rhodes 22 since it doesn't specify a sail plan for
> our boat.  I was just musing that I should be able to use any sails in
> a race and still be legal unless I can get the boat to plane and
> exceed hull speed.
>
> The UPS sail is good for two situations.  Very light winds when the
> 175% won't fly correctly.  The other is downwind as Lee says.
>
> I don't utilize the 175% enough, so I'm dropping it back to a 135 for
> working upwind and supplementing it with the UPS for lighter wind days
> when I would wish for something bigger.
>
> I think cruiser sailors are usually looking for the best compromise.
> If you are out in bays with room to maneuver, I still think the 175 is
> the way to go.  If you get to sail on beam and broad reaches a fair
> amount, I still think the 175 is the way to go.  If you want to run
> the jib inside the shrouds on windy days without have a big fat roll
> on the forestay, you may have to rethink it.  The money is the issue.
> I have 1100.00 more dollars invested then you do in your sails, but I
> have to do the later quite often.
>
> If you are looking to supplement the 175 or a smaller jib, the UPS
> works well.  The UPS sail requires a little more work to set up, but
> it is much easier to tack underway then the 175.  The 175 can be a big
> tent when the wind is light.  Also, the UPS will keep you from having
> to start the motor so often and you can make the most of the wind you
> have.  I can sail now when I couldn't before.  I haven't found it to
> be that much extra work.  You rig it on the days you need it and if
> the wind picks up, you drop it and use the genny.  It's just another
> tool in the bag to make our boat even more versatile.
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:02:33 -0400
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for
>       and more!
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> Lee,
>
> Well, you're hearing from me.  Mainly because I'm cheap and lazy.
>
> The UPS is probably the easiest asymmetrical to deploy, but it is still
> something extra to do.  I haven't found it any easier or faster than my 175
> genny.
>
> Except sailing on a full downwind run with the UPS paired wing-on-wing with
> the genny (forget the main).  Then you can go at wind speed until it
> exceeds
> hull speed.
>
> Given the infrequency of down wind runs during my usual day sails, I wish I
> spent my $1000 on something more useful.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:45 AM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>
> > dc,
> >
> > I'm jealous!  I haven't heard from anyone who's regretted getting a UPS.
> >
> > Good luck with the race.  My boat doesn't go hull speed most of the time
> > and when it does I think it's more luck than skill.  Wind was perfect
> today
> > and I couldn't get out.  I can go sailing tomorrow afternoon with a wind
> > prediction of 1 mph.  Guess I could hit hull speed with the old iron
> genny.
> >
> > Lee
> > 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org on behalf of David Culp
> > Sent: Sun 5/16/2010 12:21 AM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for and more!
> >
> >
> >
> > I am updating our group about my new UPS sail that I have installed
> > this season as I said I would.  Today was one of those days where the
> > wind is 10 knots and then it's 5.... Up and down, up and down.  Nary a
> > problem-I was leaving a wake going down the lake most of the way.  And
> > it is fun too, because you can play it like a spinnaker if you want
> > to.  Sailing is always fun, but it was extra fun today!  Racing
> > tomorrow in light winds, should I tell them that it's an illegal sail?
> >  Which reminds me... They are going to use Portsmouth handicapping and
> > it doesn't specify the sail plan for our boat, so what is "illegal"?
> > Our boat will go hull speed and that's it most of the time.  The skill
> > is in getting it there.... Right?
> >
> > dc
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