[Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?

Tue May 25 23:08:16 EDT 2010

John,

First, I pretty much agree with you on everything.

Way back when my Rhodes was under construction, I had the pleasure to watch 
the factory build Rhodes every day as visited (I worked near the NY plant.) 
As I recall, when the hull was separated from the deck, the hull was in a 
"mold" or carrier.  I wonder if it is safe to leave the hull in the trailer 
bunks while the deck is removed.  Does the hull need special support?  The 
other thing that I remember was that the decks were lifted at several points 
using a harness.  The decks were also placed on rolling carriers (I don't 
think that they sit flat) so the deck might also need a cradle for support. 
Seems like a bigger job than I would want to tackle.

Hopefully, the damage is not as severe as to warrant removal of the deck.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "John Shulick" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:25 PM
>
> Mike,
>
> From the pictures I saw reaching all the cracks would be problematic at
> best given the cramped conditions in the laz and the need to grind the
> surface to prepare it properly for the glass sheets and resin to bond
> properly, Particular concern would be the cracks below the plimsol line,
> they may extend into the area where the foam flotation area is under the
> cockpit floor and not accessible. I am also assuming a worst case scenario
> so any surprises would be on the plus side. I have managed to my surprise 
> to
> fit my 6'0" 290 lb frame into the laz to do some bolt tightening and such
> but it was pretty tight quarters. the deck by itself can't weigh that much
> an old rhodes comes in at around 2500 lbs 700 of that is ballast so 1800/2
> equals about 900 or so pounds and probably is less since we haven't
> considered mast and wood work at all. A rented mobile cherry picker should
> do the job. 2 one day rentals should do, one to get it off and lay aside 
> and
> one to put it back on. I Also point out this would give easy access to
> everything in the boat with regard to stringers and such for a total 
> rebuild
> which should be equal to or superior to any thing stans people can crank
> out. This is not a job for the faint of heart or non handy people. It 
> would
> be much easier to simply throw money at someone else to do the job I 
> agree,
> but that is not always possible. Any boat yard (including stan) would
> probably charge materials x 5 for labor I doubt you would get a bid under
> $10,000 for anyone to touch the job. For that much I could work miracles.
> Nothing would please me more than to be proven wrong on this, I hope 
> someone
> brings this thread to stans attention and he underbids my estimate. I 
> don't
> like the thought of any rhodes being scuttled old or new.
>
> Best wishes
> John S
>
>
> R22MikeW wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> While you are probably correct about the insurance value of the '81
>> Rhodes,
>> why would you separate the deck and the hull?  Most of us do not have a
>> lifting mechanism capable of doing so.  I would think that most of the
>> damage might be reachable from the laz (not very comfortable but it does
>> provide access to the hull at that point.)  When I needed to do a fair
>> amount of work on my R22, I thoroughly cleaned and repainted my laz 
>> before
>> spending a fair amount of time in there working on repairs.  There was
>> plenty of room for my 5'11" frame in the laz, although I must admit, it
>> would have been easier if I had lost 30 pounds or so.  Pillows helped a
>> lot.
>>
>> Your point about finding another Rhodes 22 is well taken, although I
>> haven't
>> seen many for sale lately.  As far as the 5% fee for Stan, I believe Alex
>> said he paid nothing for the boat (it was a gift) so Stan has already
>> received all the fee that he is entitled to.
>>
>> I still think that unless Alex is real good at 'glass repair, the boat
>> should be repaired professionally and the best place is still GBI (and 
>> may
>> be the least costly if Stan is in a good mood.)
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "John Shulick" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:26 PM
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> Sorry to see what has happened to your boat. I'm more sorry to say the
>>> insurance bastards will probably screw you to the wall and give you next
>>> to
>>> nothing citing the age of the boat for their excuse.
>>> Also because of the age stan may or may not even give you the time of 
>>> day
>>> as
>>> he is not usually inclined to do anything for the owners of older rhodes
>>> especially if he has not received his 5% homage. That being said it is 
>>> my
>>> humble opinion that the damage is repairable if you have the time and
>>> skill
>>> and tools to do the job. Those tools and skills would include the 
>>> ability
>>> to
>>> separate the hull from the deck at the rub rail (there is a joint there)
>>> removing the deck and cockpit and working from the inside of the hull
>>> rebuilding everything as you go then putting it all back together. Quite
>>> a
>>> project but doable. Might be cheaper to find another boat. I wish you 
>>> the
>>> best of luck and hope all works out in the end.
>>>
>>> John S
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex McKenna wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> This week I was going to start work restoring my rhodes 22, but 
>>>> Saturday
>>>> at 4:30 AM there arose a problem. My wife and I were awoken to the 
>>>> sound
>>>> of an explosion, we looked out our window and saw a car driving on our
>>>> lawn. A man fell asleep at the wheel, and drove his honda civic through
>>>> our fence, smashing into, then going under our boat on the trailer. The
>>>> boat was still tightly strapped to the dual-axle trailer with 10k pound
>>>> straps. He was still going so fast after the collision, he demolished
>>>> two
>>>> more fences, throwing the heavy, trex fencing 20 or 30 feet. The hull
>>>> has
>>>> three or fours cracks near the transom. I have to get an estimate for
>>>> repairs, but we recently moved to CT and I don't know any repair shops
>>>> in
>>>> the area.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think are the chances of getting this repaired? I may be
>>>> able
>>>> to grind and epoxy myself, but I don't know if I will be able to get
>>>> access to the inner hull.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some pics of the damage:
>>>>
>>>> Amazingly, the driver was unhurt, and left the car before the police
>>>> arrived.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Alex
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