[Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind

KUHN, LELAND LKUHN at cnmc.org
Mon Nov 1 17:06:06 EDT 2010 

Chris,

Nice links!

I guess it depends on your definition of "significant."  If you're in to
serious racing I guess everything is significant.  

With two furling sails, a loose-footed main, Genoa tracks, leads between
the shrouds, a sliding boom, a traveler, a centerboard, and all of my
movable railmeat; there's always something I could adjust to get an
insignificant increase in speed.  I don't think a smaller Genoa would
help me much.  More experience and knowledge and less alcohol would help
me more than anything else.

Lee


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Lee:

Do you think a smaller jib has any significant advantage over a furled
175
genoa?  I suppose the extra material of the genoa rolled up on the
headstay
is a bit sloppy but it doesn't seem like it would have a significant
impact
on pointing ability?  I wondered if perhaps the actual triangular shape
of
the jib versus furled genoa would be much different but I am pretty sure
both would be identical?  I wish we had better too scale drawings of our
Rhodes 22 sailboat.  The following is a link to information about the
sailmaster 22 that includes some nice plan and elevation drawings.  The
sailmaster is a pretty classic looking boat and seems to have some
similarities to the rhodes.

http://sailboatdata.com/VIEWRECORD.ASP?CLASS_ID=267

There are a couple of books written about sailing the sailmaster 22
around
the Delmarva penninsula.  Fun winter time reading.

The NYTimes had an interesting article about sailing a small cape dory
boat
in Lake of the woods Ontario.  The cape dory is also a cute little boat.

The fixed keep would be a nice feature on those windy and turbulant sea
days
out on the Chesapeake but I wouldn't want to give up the shallow draft
qualities.  The cape dory link below also includes some nice plan and
elevation drawings that would be nice to have for the Rhodes.  Maybe a
winter project for me.

http://www.capedory.org/specs/typhoon.htm

http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/travel/31lakeofthewoods-explorer.ht
ml?ref=travel



Leland wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> "I have never
> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
> the
> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake."
> 
> I don't think a smaller Genoa will help you sail closer to the wind as
> much as re-routing your sheets.  You still won't be able to pull your
> jib or smaller Genoa closer to the center of your boat if your sheets
> are run outside of the outer shroud.
> 
> As for sail shape, you can pull a 175% Genoa just as tight as a
smaller
> Genoa.  A smaller Genoa won't have as much rolled-up bulk around the
> furler and the sail will be closer to the deck, which will probably
> improve performance slightly if you're on a close reach.
> 
> The primary reason I would opt for a smaller Genoa is because I use
the
> full 175% sail less than 20% of the time.  When I do use the full 175%
I
> swear I'll never go with anything smaller.
> 
> Feel free to give me a call if you'd like to discuss upwind
performance.
> 202.476.5369
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Kent Island, MD
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> Interesting. I will try this.  I also thought that re-routing the
genoa
> sheets inside the shrouds would just get the sail caught.  I have
never
> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
> the
> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake.  I can do a
> little
> better by furling in the genoa to a much smaller exposed sail
area--but
> at a
> cost of sail shape with all the furling.  I may get a second R22 and
am
> thinking of getting a smaller genoa--or adding the self-tending jib.
> But
> what you suggest might be a solution, at least for long tacks.
> Dave
> 
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>> 
>> I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in NJ this weekend, and I
> want
>> to report that I had a pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing
the
>> Jib (175 Genny) sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for better
> upwind
>> sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I
was
>> delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let
the
>> Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I felt like I
>> could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying the new route
for
>> the sheets because I thought the sail would get all hung up in the
>> shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it, you'll like it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> BenCittadino
>> 
>> S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled '08)
>> 
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